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Is it just me or do c++ programmers in general hate java as well. I find that the style of OOP is weird compared to the c++ hybrid and just overall java has a place and is needed but it really just sucks.
I personally find some of the stuff in that language retarded (why can't I just get what an iterator is pointing at?) But it's good if you don't care about speed and don't mind having your clients install the JVM. (I think you should make it as simple as possible for the clients, but shrug)
I don't hate it, at all. Honestly it's just another weapon in my arsenal.
Why use a hand gun when u have a rocket launcher
That's not really an accurate analogy.
It is if the handgun is C and the rocket launcher C++. In the sense that C++ makes it harder to shoot yourself in the foot, but when you do, you blow off the whole leg XD
@xander314 I'm pretty sure that's the most accurate analogy I've ever heard.

Graham, Java is every bit as useful a language as C++. A lot of the time for the exact same applications. I personally prefer C++ for most my large scale purposes, but that's not a lot of my projects as a whole. Actually the majority of the things I program are written in an interpreted scripting language, and damn near everything I program uses more than one language. Nine times out of ten I'll combine two or three languages in a project. Usually some combination of a general purpose imperative language, and an imperative scripting language, and as of late a functional language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3qkQROb_k
I honestly like C++ more than Java but I got to admit that song is much more catchy that write in C. IMO
Even though write in C is not about C++.
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@Xander314 +1000 I think I am going to cry :(
So, when the father walks in on his son and his friend, he's supposed to be actually asking "you two aren't buttsecksing each other, right?"?
Also, Scala is a transvestite?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I have a huge crush on Scala
I am so confused.
@helios I guess so. Given the whole Java coming out speech.
I agree with Chipmunk about Scala. She didn't look like a transvestite!?

EDIT: Okay, I can see what you mean, but still ;)
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Xander, I have used java before and I just don't prefer to use it. However I will stick to what I said and tell you that C/C++ because of it's low level is like a larger weapon where java is not as intact with the hardware. And I have heard your analogy before, I like it a lot
@graham

I feel it's best to warn you that there are several users on this forum that use the Xander### as their naming scheme.

Anyways, while more often than not java code is compiled to bytecode fed through the VM thus abstracting it further from hardware than c/c++, that doesn't mean you can't compile java code directly to machine code like you would c/c++. Honestly, its the virtual machine that keeps java from having direct (or near direct) access to hardware.
Die Java die! That's how I feel.
And the thought it will probably outlive me sorrows me greatly.
I was thinking and it does not matter if you use java or C++/C

Real programmers use butterflies
http://xkcd.com/378/
~tnelsond
graham sullivan wrote:
I have heard your analogy before

I assume you haven't heard the rocket launcher handgun bit before ;) The rest is Dr. Stroustrup's, so it's not surprising.

@Chipmunk That's just silly. However, I've been programming like this for years http://nicefun.net/keyboard-for-real-programmers-vt22271.html
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@314:
That Site... What in the world?

I browsed for a few seconds and noticed, all of the posts have the same 4 replies to them. "informative post" "new information" etc. Derp what?
@ulti I don't know. I got the link to that thread from someone else on here - I've not used the site for anything other than viewing that picture ;)
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