Is providing full HW solutions a reportable offense?
Should it be?
There isn't really any rule against it, I suppose.
Seeing stuff like this just makes me ill, though:
http://cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/47495/#msg257751
There isn't really any rule against it, I suppose.
Seeing stuff like this just makes me ill, though:
http://cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/47495/#msg257751
I don't think it should. It'd basically deny someone's right to give help.
Also, it's still a learning experience albeit with delayed effect, teaching you that you need to develop on your own skills. Those who refuse were never meant to become programmers in the first place.
Also, it's still a learning experience albeit with delayed effect, teaching you that you need to develop on your own skills. Those who refuse were never meant to become programmers in the first place.
| It'd basically deny someone's right to give help. |
I guess that depends on how you define "help".
Help learning the language? Or help passing the course?
Since this is a C++ forum and not a how-to-pass-your-class forum, IMO we shouldn't care about the latter and should only focus on the former.
Again I have to point back to the thread I linked to in my original post. The OP posted his problem, and then whitenite replies with a full, uncommented solution with not even so much as a description, overview, or summary of what the program is doing*. How is that helpful? The OP is just going to copy/paste/submit. They didn't learn a thing.
* (what's more, he said he "wrote it for his daughter" which made me throw up in my mouth a little bit)
| Also, it's still a learning experience albeit with delayed effect, teaching you that you need to develop on your own skills |
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Besides. A failing grade and/or the crunch of struggling to submit an assignment on time is a more effective lesson for that particular subject.
How is someone going to learn they need to give more time to work on projects if they think they can always fall back to going to a webforum and getting the solution handed to them? All that's going to teach them is how to cheat.
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80-90% Of the questions in the beginner forum are homework related. A lot of these people will probably give up, I've noticed a couple copy other peoples code, impossible issues if they programmed it themselves as they didn't bother copying the necessary headers with the functionality been thoroughly introduced.
I would prefer if people asked questions on a certain area of C/C++ and not just post all their code and say "What's wrong with it?".
I would prefer if people asked questions on a certain area of C/C++ and not just post all their code and say "What's wrong with it?".
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@Disch, I will make an appeal to apathy: why do you care so much? Just ignore those threads.
Like I said, those who cheat will get what's coming to them in the long run. It'll teach them not how to cheat, but that cheating doesn't work so well.
Besides, nothing is lost if others try to flex their neurons trying to help them. Even if for the wrong reasons.
Like I said, those who cheat will get what's coming to them in the long run. It'll teach them not how to cheat, but that cheating doesn't work so well.
Besides, nothing is lost if others try to flex their neurons trying to help them. Even if for the wrong reasons.
As long-time members, we kind of have a vested interest in keeping the forum...I guess, 'clean', so to speak.
That said, you might be surprised how many people get into industry and up the ladder without any knowledge of how to program. It doesn't help those who do, certainly.
That said, you might be surprised how many people get into industry and up the ladder without any knowledge of how to program. It doesn't help those who do, certainly.
| Like I said, those who cheat will get what's coming to them in the long run. It'll teach them not how to cheat, but that cheating doesn't work so well. |
Actually, I don't think this is the case, sadly. They'll get up into a job (probably by lying) and then just screw over other people they work with by lying, favoritism, etc.
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I may be wrong but I get the impression that programming is some sort of mandatory element in some education systems. If this is correct, then it is this that is wrong. Forcing people to do subjects that they have no aptitude for and effectively punishing then for not being able to do it (lower GPA or whatever) is just dumb.
^I do have to say I agree with that. I've never seen anyone who seemed to be in the CS classes I was taking because it was required for them (and they didn't like it), but I dunno.
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| That said, you might be surprised how many people get into industry and up the ladder without any knowledge of how to program. |
I don't think that a programmer who understands what he's doing will have the chance to climb that ominous ladder... |
Actually it really depends. IT is a wide industry but within there are various areas of specialization isn't it ? You can opt to be a project manager, infrastructure manager etc. Maybe in the first few years, you dabble in programming and then you discover it is not your cup of tea. So the next few years you aim for positions that is not programming related but still confined within IT industry.
The "ladder" can be good for some who can articulate well and know how to present themselves or the ability to "smoke" everyone and give everyone the false impression that person is great for everything except for programming.
Programing is an acquired taste. You either love it or you taste it and then you move away.
I think users should just be encouraged to only help those asking obvious homework questions to a certain extent. Your example is an outright answer, which should not be allowed, but simply giving tips (make that variable global, characters are single quotes, etc) is fine.
It's similar to the student asking for help from their teacher. They would be directed but not given a handout.
...teach a man to fish?
It's similar to the student asking for help from their teacher. They would be directed but not given a handout.
...teach a man to fish?
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| since I made a program like it for my daughter's college class |
I think if someone post's an unannotated solution with which no learning can be done, should be reportable. The only thing that annoys me more than lazy people who post questions with no intention to learn, are people who answer those questions!!!
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(I'm not sure if this is appropriate, so I apologies if anyone is offended by it.)
If someone has a valid question or one that you think you might be able to aid in the persons learning process then, there nothing wrong about posting some code snippets and advice, but it should it should always be done in a way that informative so as to help Original Poster and others with the same problem to a solution on their own.
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Do the rules of this forum already allow serial offenders to be turfed off? I see there's an item in the Welcome message, but I get the impression that there are plenty of people who don't read it before posting (esp. repeat posting because they haven't searched the forum first).
The site I go to for help with my French homework -- wordreference.com -- is quite well policed. They are anti homework, but I don't no how often they ban people. But they do close down and delete inappropriate threads.
Andy
P.S. One of their rules, which I like, is that questions must be specific. And the title of the post must be clear.
The site I go to for help with my French homework -- wordreference.com -- is quite well policed. They are anti homework, but I don't no how often they ban people. But they do close down and delete inappropriate threads.
Andy
P.S. One of their rules, which I like, is that questions must be specific. And the title of the post must be clear.
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