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[blackcoder41]

Rivermaya - 214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jl6xNcBElY

That's another song from our country. Do you think you can figure out what 214 means?

[chrisname]

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214 => "BAD"

[blackcoder41]

nope.

[helios]

pi 1 - 100 * truncate ?

PS: I don't know why I felt like writing it in reverse Polish notation, but there it is.

[blackcoder41]

uhm, no?

[Albatross]

"This is the International Police Organization! We have you surrounded! Put the flamingo down!"


Seriously, though. What does the 214 there mean?

-Albatross

[blackcoder41]

Oh I'm late, I don't know if it will make sense to you but it means February 14 - Valentines Day :)

[blackcoder41]

Funeral For A Friend - Bullet Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM_O2svHIb0

[blackcoder41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0r0uuNWHtg

[1yvXoG1T]

Throwing down my two cents on some of my current favorites (my taste switches with the seasons)

Breaking Benjamin - Breath
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ3qJmgktS0

Meshuggah - New Millenium Cyanide Christ (awesome video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ

Juno Reactor - Conquistador Pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HqNPy3jP0U

The Mighty Mighty Bosstones - The Impression That I Get
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIGMUAMevH0&ob=av3n

Reel Big Fish - Everything Sucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALHybzqaWwg

The Pinion - Deus Ex Machina (Sorry, not on YT at all but the album is available free for download here)
http://deethegothpuppy.com/music.htm

[tition]

To all heavy music fans:

This is my test how heavy music one can stand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OrOdgt7nc

It took me like 3-4 attempts to be able to stand through the whole piece. No worries, it has no vocals, just instrumental! If you can stand it the first time, you are a true heavy music fan :) The band is an underground experimental group called "Behold the arctopus".

[helios]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OrOdgt7nc

Did anyone else feel like the drummer was pounding on your head?

[blackcoder41]

@helios
I do, man o man.. My head hurts.. Xp

[chrisname]

@tition,
I didn't think that was very heavy at all. This is heavy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3u3Xa2noI (NSFW).

[blackcoder41]

That's not music for me.

[helios]

Leave the vocals out and it'd be a good song, IMO. That's my main problem with that style of metal. The vocals lack all musicality. If I wanted to listen to someone scream their lungs out, I'd watch the Angry German Kid [edit]which, while it hurts your ears, is at least funny[/edit].

[chrisname]

Why does it "lack musicality"? The vocals may not be the melodic sounds that most people are used to, but that doesn't mean it isn't musical:

Wikipedia wrote:

However, 20th-century composer John Cage thought that any sound can be music, saying, for example, "There is no noise, only sound."

[moorecm]

Arsis - We are the Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjKEHL9XJKE

EDIT: Oops, this is a repost. I looked it up again because tition's link reminded me of it!

[helios]

John Cage thought that any sound can be music

I don't agree. That's like saying any string of Latin characters can be English.
I think the key element a sound needs to have to be universally understood as being music is rhythm. There needs to be some sort of recognizable pattern to the sound. For example, it's not the same to have a cat walk across a piano keyboard, hitting different keys at random intervals, than to have a program generate random notes every third of a second. Neither are particularly pleasing, but at least the computer generated a pattern with the space between the notes.
Now imagine rain. While that sound can be pleasing, it's still not music because there's half a million drops hitting half a million surfaces at the same time. It's noise. Entirely different to two streams falling onto two different surfaces at regular intervals: tok-tok-tok-tak-tok-tok-tok-tak.

To answer your first question more directly, to me there are two very important aspects to vocals: being able to more or less understand when they're saying (at the very least phonetically), and matching the music. Death/black/etc. metal singing fails at both. It doesn't sound like sounds a human being would make, and it always seems to me like the singer is singing to a completely different tune. Actually, usually I can't even tell what the other tune is. Honestly, if not for the vocals I probably would like those genres, but as soon as I hear the guy start screaming I need to shut it off because the unintelligibility (boy, that was a tough one) of it ruins it for me.

[MottMan]

I think the key element a sound needs to have to be universally understood as being music is rhythm. There needs to be some sort of recognizable pattern to the sound. For example, it's not the same to have a cat walk across a piano keyboard, hitting different keys at random intervals, than to have a program generate random notes every third of a second.

True, although can be simplified to music theory and most importantly, scales and keys. If a blues song (for simplicity) is in the key of G, then the chords are probably G, C, and D. Therefore, if a solo comes along, the notes must be in the key of G (all natural notes except F#). If a singer sings, they must have their voice reach that key, if they can't, a new key must be found. So something like you mentioned:

There needs to be some sort of recognizable pattern to the sound.

exists as basic music theory. Different cultures have different scales and patterns however...