Linux Vs the world...[Metalmop]
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Metalmop wrote: [ http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/1988/page3.html ]
So you have use windows and you have used Linux and you prefer Linux. You saying Linux is better is purely subjective. You also assume that the people posting in the thread only use Windows, This is not the case many of the people use Linux as well as Windows (and in some cases MacOS and...). I someone is asking about a problem in windows it is pointless to say they should use Linux.
As for point B, When the real world gets involved, things are not as simple as; use Linux, it will make your life easier. My clients don't use Linux therefore I can't use if for there work.
| whoa... what i meant to say was that for programming, and everything in general really, but especially programming, linux is the proven choice it's not like i don't know what i'm saying, i programmed for windows for a long time, even video games. i programmed a lot of windows programs. i know what i'm saying when i say that linux has a better programming environment than windows because i have used both. and if you guys were on linux, you wouldn't be arguing about this because there is no need for pausing the terminal just because i'm fifteen, doesn't mean that i don't know jack squat about c++ programming. now i admit, calling you guys losers for programming on windows went a little bit to far and i'm sorry. and a couple of you guys have helped me out and i'm greatful for that. what i was trying to point out in the initial comment was that point a: a beginner was asking a simple question about keeping the console window open, and that turned into a massive debate, which by no means was meant to be so, seeing as how the initial poster has not gotten involved in the discussion. point b: linux has a better programming environment and is better in general, and you would gain a great benifit by using it, seeing as it would make your life easier in programming, particularly in C++. |
So you have use windows and you have used Linux and you prefer Linux. You saying Linux is better is purely subjective. You also assume that the people posting in the thread only use Windows, This is not the case many of the people use Linux as well as Windows (and in some cases MacOS and...). I someone is asking about a problem in windows it is pointless to say they should use Linux.
As for point B, When the real world gets involved, things are not as simple as; use Linux, it will make your life easier. My clients don't use Linux therefore I can't use if for there work.
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I agree, Grey Wolf. That's like me saying "Apples are better than avocados because I said so. :P", which is something I would likely not say (considering I like neither).
Just saying Linux is a better environment "in general" without but a snippet of evidence that states
1. Linux keeps the console open, and
2. Linux = awesome because he said it's awesome,
is a totally uncircumstantiated statement.
I have used linux before, but I prefer Windows. Not to say Windows is best, just best for my interests. :)
Just saying Linux is a better environment "in general" without but a snippet of evidence that states
1. Linux keeps the console open, and
2. Linux = awesome because he said it's awesome,
is a totally uncircumstantiated statement.
I have used linux before, but I prefer Windows. Not to say Windows is best, just best for my interests. :)
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Hah, that was his reply to my rip at him. I'll answer to it here.
Proven choice? by whom? where is your evidence for this? This is just your opinion. If you need to develop for Windows, you do it in Windows. If you need to develop for Linux, you do it in Linux (for the most part). Platform Independent code can be developed on any OS. Now, considering that MOST (like 90+%) of the worlds computers run Windows, that would make Windows the "best" choice for development as your will have a larger potential install-base.
Touche, but starting a debate by claiming fact when you have no evidence to support your opinion does indicate otherwise. I've programmed on windows since before you started school.
I could write a new windows program every hour, it doesn't mean they would be good, or useful. But damn, I could write ALOT of them. Writing the code is only 5% of solving the problem. Unfortunately, for now you do not have the formal education in design methodologies, development methodologies or application architecture to understand this.
Linux is not better, nor is it worse. Linux is a completely different environment to Windows. I have used both, and do use both daily. I have used Linux for the last 10yrs, Windows for longer. And yet, I debate (or argue) with you.
Pausing the terminal? This is 1 thing, and the smallest of small things in development, and this alone makes Linux better? Your kidding right?
Lets look at some reasons why Linux as a development environment is WORSE than Windows (just for example).
-> You cannot give people a universal binary. I can give people a binary that will run on Windows 98, 2000, NT, XP and Vista. Can't do the same for 2.4/2.6 kernels, and different 3rd party libraries. You cannot rely on a Linux distro having expected libraries.
-> RPM dependency hell.
-> Makefiles... nuff said.
Perhaps not "c++ programming", but Software Development yes. It takes years to get the proper knowledge of SW dev as a whole. Using C++ as a language is only 5% of this.
Learning to program in Linux, is going to be harder than to learn in Windows. Dev-C++ offers Window's users a very simple and light-weight IDE aimed at begining developers. While Linux has Anjuta, it is no-where near as usable as Dev-C++.
Windows is also a known environment for almost every IT professional. If you say "I have Windows XP", then most IT professionals will know what libraries, file system, file structure, environment variables are going to be set and will be able to offer advice more readily.
In a nutshell, I use Windows and Linux EVERY day. I have Windows and Linux machines at home; and I develop software for both at Work. I do NOT think Linux is better (as a blanket statement).
| whoa... what i meant to say was that for programming, and everything in general really, but especially programming, linux is the proven choice |
Proven choice? by whom? where is your evidence for this? This is just your opinion. If you need to develop for Windows, you do it in Windows. If you need to develop for Linux, you do it in Linux (for the most part). Platform Independent code can be developed on any OS. Now, considering that MOST (like 90+%) of the worlds computers run Windows, that would make Windows the "best" choice for development as your will have a larger potential install-base.
| it's not like i don't know what i'm saying, i programmed for windows for a long time, even video games. i programmed a lot of windows programs. |
Touche, but starting a debate by claiming fact when you have no evidence to support your opinion does indicate otherwise. I've programmed on windows since before you started school.
I could write a new windows program every hour, it doesn't mean they would be good, or useful. But damn, I could write ALOT of them. Writing the code is only 5% of solving the problem. Unfortunately, for now you do not have the formal education in design methodologies, development methodologies or application architecture to understand this.
| i know what i'm saying when i say that linux has a better programming environment than windows because i have used both. and if you guys were on linux, you wouldn't be arguing about this because there is no need for pausing the terminal |
Linux is not better, nor is it worse. Linux is a completely different environment to Windows. I have used both, and do use both daily. I have used Linux for the last 10yrs, Windows for longer. And yet, I debate (or argue) with you.
Pausing the terminal? This is 1 thing, and the smallest of small things in development, and this alone makes Linux better? Your kidding right?
Lets look at some reasons why Linux as a development environment is WORSE than Windows (just for example).
-> You cannot give people a universal binary. I can give people a binary that will run on Windows 98, 2000, NT, XP and Vista. Can't do the same for 2.4/2.6 kernels, and different 3rd party libraries. You cannot rely on a Linux distro having expected libraries.
-> RPM dependency hell.
-> Makefiles... nuff said.
| just because i'm fifteen, doesn't mean that i don't know jack squat about c++ programming. |
Perhaps not "c++ programming", but Software Development yes. It takes years to get the proper knowledge of SW dev as a whole. Using C++ as a language is only 5% of this.
| point b: linux has a better programming environment and is better in general, and you would gain a great benifit by using it, seeing as it would make your life easier in programming, particularly in C++. |
Learning to program in Linux, is going to be harder than to learn in Windows. Dev-C++ offers Window's users a very simple and light-weight IDE aimed at begining developers. While Linux has Anjuta, it is no-where near as usable as Dev-C++.
Windows is also a known environment for almost every IT professional. If you say "I have Windows XP", then most IT professionals will know what libraries, file system, file structure, environment variables are going to be set and will be able to offer advice more readily.
In a nutshell, I use Windows and Linux EVERY day. I have Windows and Linux machines at home; and I develop software for both at Work. I do NOT think Linux is better (as a blanket statement).
Also, I agree with what Zaita said on some forum/topic/whatever. Landonmkelsey appears to be metalmop in disguise. This interesting bit of evidence certainly deserves investigation.
If landonmkelsey is NOT metalmop, my apologies.
Edit: He also may be an advertiser.
http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/2694/ 's last post is similar to http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/2658/ 's last post.
Odd.......
If landonmkelsey is NOT metalmop, my apologies.
Edit: He also may be an advertiser.
http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/2694/ 's last post is similar to http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/2658/ 's last post.
Odd.......
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