Im learning java, do they have a forum as simple and easy going as this one

[o1vk4iN6]

Please become familiar with all of the features of .Net 4 and .Net 4.5 before you state this. There's a good reason why C++ and C# are the 2 most used languages.

Probably not ideal to be the most popular language, the odds of coming across poor code just increases as the popularity goes up, cattle following the herd.

[cire]

Data is more valuable than experience because experience is tainted by personal bias. This is why scientists do empirical studies instead of just writing down what they see.

Experience is data. Empirical studies involve recording observations (sometimes, perhaps they even write down what they see.)

The real difference is in the data gathering - effective empirical studies are constructed so as to avoid room for bias in the interpretation of the data. There is plenty of room for bias in personal experience and the interpretation of contextless data randomly gathered from the internet. How much of the disparity in jobs offered should be attributed to higher turnover in Java programming positions, for instance?

[chrisname]

cire wrote:

Experience is data.

It's a kind of data which is very sensitive to circumstance and personal bias.

Empirical studies involve recording observations (sometimes, perhaps they even write down what they see.)

The difference is that valuable empirical studies are methodical and controlled, they're not someone walking around his town, not seeing any job postings for Java programmers and concluding that there are none anywhere.

There is plenty of room for bias in personal experience and the interpretation of contextless data randomly gathered from the internet.

You can draw better conclusions from broadly-gathered data than from data gathered by an individual in a single location.

How much of the disparity in jobs offered should be attributed to higher turnover in Java programming positions, for instance?

That's a good question, but we don't know which kind of job is more stable - C++ or Java - and so we're back to square one; this doesn't make the experience more valuable than the data.

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I personally don't have an opinion on this. I prefer to reserve judgement. I just wanted to point out that ignoring data over personal experience is fallacious.

[cire]

chrisname wrote:

That's a good question, but we don't know which kind of job is more stable - C++ or Java - and so we're back to square one; this doesn't make the experience more valuable than the data.

Never said it was.

chrisname wrote:

Data is more valuable than experience

But you made the opposite claim.

[chrisname]

cire wrote:

But you made the opposite claim.

What?

[devonrevenge]

what?