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MAC programming forums
May 14, 2012 at 11:53pm
Why isn't there a forum for MAC programming? I doubt it would be very active, but some of use use MACs.
May 15, 2012 at 12:33am
Forgive my ignorance as I've used Ubuntu (currently using 12.04 LTS as well as Vista) and have used Debian, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandrake, Mandriva, Knoppix at some point. If Mac falls under *nix then why do sites have downloads for Windows, Linux, and Mac?
May 15, 2012 at 1:07am
Mac and Linux-based OS use very different libraries for many functionality. For examples on a Linux system for making a window you are often ether are using ether gtk or qt, while macs use aqua.
Also, the matter of how they install programs are different too.
Also, the matter of how they install programs are different too.
Last edited on May 15, 2012 at 1:16am
May 15, 2012 at 1:09am
Mac falls under Unix because it has a Unix layer (based on FreeBSD) and is POSIX compliant. OS X Server, for example, puts a nice GUI on standard Unix services.
It has it's own UI based on NextStep. And that means it has its own APIs, installer, ... And that means distributed programs (binary or source) are different than other Unix programs.
It has it's own UI based on NextStep. And that means it has its own APIs, installer, ... And that means distributed programs (binary or source) are different than other Unix programs.
Last edited on May 15, 2012 at 1:20am
May 15, 2012 at 1:30am
Okay, I have never programmed for Mac so I wasn't quite sure about how Mac was under Unix.
May 15, 2012 at 12:40pmclosed account (1yR4jE8b)
If you're going to be using Aqua/Cocoa/Carbon (I have no clue what the current standard toolkit for OS X is these days), you're using Objective-C as your programming language. As far as I know there are no C++ bindings for those toolkits.
May 15, 2012 at 12:47pm
True, the main language is Objective-C, but one can use C++, with the limitation that it's impossible to program GUIs.
May 15, 2012 at 3:33pm
Carbon is the C++ binding, but it's being deprecated. Cocoa (Objective C) is current. There really is no point in learning Carbon. If you want to do Mac or IOS programming, you really need to learn Objective C.
I should say, Objective C is much earier to learn than C++. C++ has become incredibly compliated, far from it's initial objectives.
I should say, Objective C is much earier to learn than C++. C++ has become incredibly compliated, far from it's initial objectives.
May 15, 2012 at 3:42pmclosed account (1vRz3TCk)
Maybe there should be a little Objective-C/Objective-C++/Mac OS/iOS forum then. :0)
May 15, 2012 at 3:43pm
I know several people in person who are struggling to learn Objective-C because they want to do iOS programming, but in class they are easily learning C++. I think there may be confusion here about language vs language design patterns.
May 15, 2012 at 6:40pm
Probably with the framework, Obj-C isn't that complicated syntax wise.
May 16, 2012 at 12:15am
Just asked, they're struggling with the syntax and concepts, but mostly the concepts about memory management. They learned Java first and now manual memory management is a new blow to the head for them, I suppose. I haven't personally started learning Objective-C so I can't say much myself.
May 16, 2012 at 10:38am
My current workplace uses Obj-C as the first language; everyone who came from a C or C++ background has no problem with it at all. It's lightweight and elegant, with some very nice Smalltalk-like features.
We don't use any Apple frameworks, though; maybe that's the difficulty.
We don't use any Apple frameworks, though; maybe that's the difficulty.
May 16, 2012 at 11:26am| True, the main language is Objective-C, but one can use C++, with the limitation that it's impossible to program GUIs. |
Indeed, but that doesn't shroud the fact that if you want to make something that caters best for a Mac, Obj-C is the way to go.
| Maybe there should be a little Objective-C/Objective-C++/Mac OS/iOS forum then. :0) |
I disagree. This is a C++ specific forum so why introduce other languages when there's a lot of decent resources out there for Obj-C. Macrumors has forums dedicated both to Mac and iOS programming.
| Just asked, they're struggling with the syntax and concepts, but mostly the concepts about memory management. They learned Java first and now manual memory management is a new blow to the head for them, I suppose. I haven't personally started learning Objective-C so I can't say much myself. |
Not sure if it's relevant, but I tend to see that Java likes to encourage the MVC design pattern. This is also present in iOS development and most programs and tutorials will have MVC examples. Might just be me, but I don't seem to see this encouraged as much in C++.
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