Homework&Project? Seeking others people should STOP!
I am up for users that seek for advice for assignment,project or error output. Users that come here to seek other people to do their assignment should be banned.
I think the problem is getting ridiculous as users just come here so that they can get help for assignment and project.
Firstly its not your work to give in. Secondly yes all codes look the same but people have different style of layout and how they write the code.
YOU chose the course & module its your own fault if you do not know how to code and if you want to learn go to the lectures and practices.
Do not come here to seek for other people its wrong.
The admin should think about this situation cause it would get out of hand?
Please give your ideas and situation on this matter?
I think the problem is getting ridiculous as users just come here so that they can get help for assignment and project.
Firstly its not your work to give in. Secondly yes all codes look the same but people have different style of layout and how they write the code.
YOU chose the course & module its your own fault if you do not know how to code and if you want to learn go to the lectures and practices.
Do not come here to seek for other people its wrong.
The admin should think about this situation cause it would get out of hand?
Please give your ideas and situation on this matter?
I don't think there's a solution that's less problematic than the actual problem. In the end, it's the ones getting their homework done that are on the losing end anyways.
This thread feels more like a trolling thread, but if you seriously want to get into this. Banning someone for wanting others to do their work is a waste of the admins time. It is easier for us to either just ignore them or tell them we won't do their work for them. Now, if they are asking someone to do a project, chances are they are a designer trying to get programmers to help out with it. When someone asks us to do their homework, just give them advice towards what to do and let them figure it out. Not to mention, one of the admins has pointed out that banning is pointless as anything you can think of can be googled to find the code if you really need it without doing the work yourself.
Posts quering for homework help or prost which looks so should be momentaly deleted IMO.
There is also a Report button, but nobody cares about that button :(
There is also a Report button, but nobody cares about that button :(
Of course, but only if it's something that really goes against forum guidelines. Asking for homework help is ok.
Also, if you look at some of the old posts, the ones not asking for homework help. They end up with programmers just giving them the code. Not to mention that a lot of the posts that are obviously homework threads don't say they are homework help threads, instead it is "I'm bored and doing <project here>. Not quite sure what I'm doing. Can someone help me?" By the fourth or fifth reply someone has pumped out some code doing what they want.
When you are part of a community that offers help to all programmers you are opening yourself to students looking for help. If you start turning away those asking for help then you might as well shutdown the site as it no longer is helping all programmers. The advantage of this community is, if you don't like the thread because they are asking for help or expecting someone to do it for them, (now pay attention) YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT OR ANSWER IT!
Banning/deleting should be reserved for trolls.
When you are part of a community that offers help to all programmers you are opening yourself to students looking for help. If you start turning away those asking for help then you might as well shutdown the site as it no longer is helping all programmers. The advantage of this community is, if you don't like the thread because they are asking for help or expecting someone to do it for them, (now pay attention) YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT OR ANSWER IT!
Banning/deleting should be reserved for trolls.
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What are you talking about? Whenever spoonlicker comes back, we use that button :)
What are you talking about? Whenever spoonlicker comes back, we use that button :)
| I was talking about homework solving requests not about spaming :) |
Because when it comes to homework solving requests (HSRs) only the anal members want it removed and go on about this issue. The rest just ignore it and go back to their work. HSRs are a lot less troublesome than spamming and trolling.
| YOU DON"T HAVE TO READ IT OR ANSWER IT! |
That's not entirely true. You do have to read it to determine whether or not to answer it, and those posts are a waste of time for those that take the trouble.
| Because when it comes to homework solving requests (HSRs) only the anal members want it removed and go on about this issue. |
Hey look! A troll!
Just because I don't see any point in removing them doesn't mean I see those who do as 'anal.' The major issue for me is that it takes less effort to just pass a post over as it would to actually qualify it as a homework request, rethink the qualification to be sure, and then take action to remove it. If it is a "HSR" it doesn't garner responses so it doesn't remain in the limelight.
Everyone should feel free to express his or her own opinion on the matter. I don't think anyone really needs to hear opinions about opinions or the relative merit of opinions.
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| If you start turning away those asking for help then you might as well shutdown the site as it no longer is helping all programmers. |
I agree with this, 100%.
If the forum here doesn't allow for asking/answering questions, then what would be the point?
| That's not entirely true. You do have to read it to determine whether or not to answer it, and those posts are a waste of time for those that take the trouble. |
No that is entirely true. There has been several posts I've seen of 'can someone help me' in the beginner thread and didn't bother reading them while others I decided to read. Getting bent out of shape of a homework topic makes them anal as this is a site to help budding programmers. Banning and deleting the users and threads would go against what this site was designed for.
Who needs help more than a programming student? If we start taking measures to discourage asking questions then this site becomes a waste of time for the admins and waste of bandwidth. You can say "Oh we are just talking about banning HSR that want us to help with their homework or us to do it for them.", but where does it stop? After they are removed the next annoyance on the forums would be addressed and it would just continue to where this community would be a shadow of its former self. Blocking their questions would discourage others to ask different questions as they would fear it would result in their topics being banned.
If you want to go down this road you would be signing cplusplus.com's death warrant.
| No that is entirely true. There has been several posts I've seen of 'can someone help me' in the beginner thread and didn't bother reading them while others I decided to read. |
If you didn't bother reading them, how do you know they were HSRs?
| Getting bent out of shape of a homework topic makes them anal as this is a site to help budding programmers. |
Getting bent out of shape over an opinion someone else holds which is just as valid as yours, is equally abhorrent especially when you want to minimize the validity of that opinion by misrepresenting the case as a "homework topic" as opposed to a request to solve homework without making an effort to do solve it themselves.
The fact is such topics do decrease the signal-to-noise ratio.
We are in agreement with regard to our opinion on whether or not such a thing should happen. Our reasons don't happen to be the same.
We are not in agreement with respect to belittling the opinions of others and misrepresenting them to further our own. Nor do your predictions hold any weight. Plenty of moderated forums do quite well.
I know Stack Overflow is certainly on it's deathbed with that whole community moderation thing.
| If you didn't bother reading them, how do you know they were HSRs? |
The thread usually says "Assignment" in the topic title or they usually mention assignment in the short span of text shown in the description. The other flag is when they mention they are a student, as most students posting here usually are seeking help with their assignment for a course.
| We are not in agreement with respect to belittling the opinions of others and misrepresenting them to further our own. Nor do your predictions hold any weight. Plenty of moderated forums do quite well. I know Stack Overflow is certainly on it's deathbed with that whole community moderation thing. |
I didn't belittle the opinions of anyone. We apparently have different definitions of anal, as I go by "to pay excessive attention to detail" as I feel the homework threads are just one little detail that makes up the type of threads this site has. So I say anal because suddenly everyone is paying excessive attention to the homework threads and this topic has been discussed now in two separate threads.
My predictions hold no weight? Banning a user just for asking for homework help or someone to do it for them would give this site a bad reputation. It would make it look like we are only interested in helping those who completely understand C++ and programming and turn away those who are just starting out. Stack Overflow is not the best example to your point. I see more HSRs on there that get answered without complaints than on here.
This site is known for being newbie friendly. Students seeking help on homework are about as newbie as you can get as most of the homework threads I have took the time to read had been basic programs. Someone seeking advice/help/otherwise shouldn't be banned just because it is homework related. I've read some homework threads where the person was just seeking advice because they weren't sure how to get started on the assignment, but never asked for anyone to do it for them or ask for code. If we start discriminating against what kind of advice can be asked here it will lead to users thinking their advice seeking question isn't appropriate for this forum and go post to another site.
The only way to curb this issue, that I can think of right off hand, would be to make a Homework assistance board in the forum. That way those who like giving advice to students for homework can do so and the ones that think they should be banned can happily ignore the board and never worry about it again. Otherwise they are just going to have to deal with the fact that this community is one of the best out there and therefore pulls in all kinds of people seeking help/advice/etc.
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I dislike the "Please do my homework" threads as much as the next guy, but reporting and banning are far too extreme. The report button IMO, should only be used on spam, trolls and blatantly offensive posts. The only problem I personally have with helping with homework (or similar) questions is I usually lack the time and patience to walk someone through it.
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