Will i get a job with all the out sourcing?
Hey im panning on getting a job with programing and with all the out sourcing to india giving the american jobs to indians that shouldent have them and they work for less and it pisses me off i want a job and i fin it un bearable doing all this work and not being able to get a job! So bottom line WILL I GET A JOB!
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| giving the american jobs to indians |
Because you said this I'm assuming your american.
You have no idea how ironic I find this, because your complaining about foreigners taking jobs yet, you seem to be lacking any sort of knowledge about the grammer of the english language1.
1 Somthing most foreigners would lack as well.
EDIT: You need to understand the grammer of whatever language your employer uses, and since you apparently won't be moving to india...
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| you seem to be lacking any sort of knowledge about the grammer of the english language |
King214, you spelled grammar wrong, and...
Because you said this I'm assuming your american. your complaining about foreigners taking jobs |
*you're
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I never claimed I had good grammar!*
Nice catch on the "your" part though.
* Didnt speel it wrang that time!
EDIT: Irony!
Nice catch on the "your" part though.
* Didnt speel it wrang that time!
EDIT: Irony!
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Just thought that I would say that the company that I used to work for just fired virtually all of their in-house IT staff to outsource it offshore to save a few pennies...who's to say that wasn't the better move though, depending on how skilled the outsourced contractors are.
| giving the american jobs |
If not, then it can't really be said to be an American job, unless it's a job that can only be performed by Americans, for some reason.
| to indians that shouldent have them |
| they work for less and it pisses me off |
I see three possibilities, from easy to hard:
1. Move to India. Then you can afford to work for as little as an Indian programmer (the cost of living is much lower than in the US). Other possibilities include Latin America, Eastern Europe, Russia, and China.
2. Provide some value to your work that justifies the higher cost. Develop skills, don't just ask for more money while offering nothing in return.
3. Somehow make the country move from a free market economy to a protectionist economy.
PS: Your grammar sucks. You are a disgrace to your people. My grandma went to the local primary school in her village and she writes better than you.
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I think there are two main issues when it comes to jobs and the U.S.A.
1 - Big business is greedy and does not care one bit about the citizens in our country that they sell their products to. If it can be made at a lower cost the company will find a way to do it no matter the economical or social impact us.
2 - We citizens are to blame as well. We want big business and technology to do everything for us. Like helios said
. Instead of standing up to these companies we let them walk all over us. Banks charge $35 for overdrafting as little as 1 penny and we continue to bank at such a place?!?!
Of course it is not as black and white as this, their is much gray area. There are plenty of skilled hard working Gringos that have lost their jobs just so a company can save a couple bucks. etc... etc... etc...
1 - Big business is greedy and does not care one bit about the citizens in our country that they sell their products to. If it can be made at a lower cost the company will find a way to do it no matter the economical or social impact us.
2 - We citizens are to blame as well. We want big business and technology to do everything for us. Like helios said
| because you're incompetent ... Provide some value to your work that justifies the higher cost |
Of course it is not as black and white as this, their is much gray area. There are plenty of skilled hard working Gringos that have lost their jobs just so a company can save a couple bucks. etc... etc... etc...
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What's stopping you from starting your own software company? Do you not have a computer of your own? No that's not it. Do you not have a compiler or IDE you can use? No I'm pretty sure you can easily get those. Is there some unreasonable Cost Of Entry to the software development market? No there isn't. The reason you're not starting your own company is that you are lazy. As CreativeMFS put it you expect big business to do everything for you, and to reward you for simply being American. I could understand your anger if this was some other market like manufactoring. Not being able to secure a loan is something you can blame on big business, after all every major economic colloapse in the past 20 years has been directly their fault and they are using their mistakes as an excuse to stop loaning people money. The cost of manual labor you can blame on a dozen groups of people from unions to big business and politicians. But in your case, you're just being lazy. You have no excuse other then "My Dad didn't have to start a company of his own. He has\had a job paying him $25.00 an hour to sit in a factory and push a button all day. Now he's retired and has a pention and a Savings account and a 401K... and I'll stop now because I have a feeling that some of our foriegn contributors will start hating us Americans even more if I keep that going.
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| What's stopping you from starting your own software company? |
He's 14. I don't know if that's legal...
Anyway, don't be too harsh.
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Sheesh, I knew from the post that the OP hadn't finished college yet but I didn't think they were that young, looking back now I should have known. Grr, I used to be better at reading people then that. In that case I would like to change my answer to this:
If you can predict the global job market six-to-ten years into the future while in the middle of what can be thought of as a global recession then learning C++ is the LAST THING you should bother doing.
If you can predict the global job market six-to-ten years into the future while in the middle of what can be thought of as a global recession then learning C++ is the LAST THING you should bother doing.
I knew. At least I thought as much; why else would he call himself ".*14"?
I posted anyway because he was pissing me off, the little bigot.
I posted anyway because he was pissing me off, the little bigot.
I kind of get where he's coming from, although I don't know why he singled out India. Outsourcing can be bad for an economy if it increases unemployment, but it can also be a good thing if it increases productivity. It depends who is better-qualified.
Personally my only problem with outsourcing is that I would rather they came to the US to work, this increases local competition but at least I don't have to move. The big problem with that is the cost of moving to a country like the US, because of this we end up with all of the spoild rich kids instead of the real talented ones and that leads to this view of foreigners being stuck up which I really don't want to believe is the case. I've met quite a few people from a bunch of different cultures in my life who were "fresh off the boat" so to speak and were really good people. With Indians I can see singleing them out if you're only 14, A LOT of the ones specifically here in my area of the US are unbearably obnoxious and I have personally attributed this to their Caste System*, at 14 you probably wouldn't have met many good ones. There is just one thing to remember about all Indians, they are F'ING FIRE PROOF! If they offer to share their lunch try to respectfully decline; just because you like the food from the Indian resturant down the street does NOT MEAN you can handle their home cooking. They will think it's funny as hell and you may very well end up in the hospital.
*: Talk to some of them, if you get into the right conversation you'll notice how many were almost royalty back in India. Moving to the US for them was just something to do and a matter of asking Daddy for a few thousand dollars. Meanwhile the hard working ones have to save up every penny they earn for 20 years and pray that nothing happens to knock them back to square one.
*: Talk to some of them, if you get into the right conversation you'll notice how many were almost royalty back in India. Moving to the US for them was just something to do and a matter of asking Daddy for a few thousand dollars. Meanwhile the hard working ones have to save up every penny they earn for 20 years and pray that nothing happens to knock them back to square one.
| Personally my only problem with outsourcing is that I would rather they came to the US to work |
Huh? I'm confused. Outsourcing works for a number of reasons; reducing short term operational costs, as a work around to local envorinmental-laws\taxes\regulations, gaining access a larger labor pool, ad infinum. But the goal is NEVER simply to employ people in another country.
Outsourcing is not a universal solution for every problem a company runs into though.
Outsourcing is not a universal solution for every problem a company runs into though.
Not the goal -- that wouldn't make any sense. But all of that works because they live in a different country. You can pay someone living in India half of what you'd pay an American because the cost of living is lower.
By the way: it's ad infinitum.
By the way: it's ad infinitum.
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| My grandma went to the local primary school in her village and she writes better than you. (sic) |
Uncalled for.
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| i want a job and i fin it un bearable doing all this work and not being able to get a job! (sic) |
Move to the UK. The Indians here are f*****g useless. The only thing they do is sponge off the Dole. The worst part is that they can't be arsed to learn our language. Americans are most welcome in the UK, since English is their primary spoken language.
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| Move to the UK. The Indians here are f*****g useless. The only thing they do is sponge off the Dole. The worst part is that they can't be arsed to learn our language |
That's not true at all. Sure, there may be some Indian immigrants who come here just for our welfare system, but plenty of them are hardworking and have jobs. Several of the doctors where I live are Indian, for example. Some of my friends are Indian. All of them speak better English than some of the natives.
Wow. I've never seen such a parallel to the American anti immigration bs. The stereotypical Southern/Midwestern Republican in the US believes all immigrants are illegal Mexicans who want nothing more than to leech off of the government and take jobs away from 'hard working american citizens.' I never considered that the same types of prejudices existed in other first world english speaking nations.