Riot Outbreak in the UK
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These dumb riots are happening everywhere. Seriously, why trash the nearest city-centre? How childish can you get?
What're your thoughts?
Wazzak
What're your thoughts?
Wazzak
I'm a safe distance away, and I've been too busy taking starlight photos at night to listen to the news... Thus I don't really know what's going on. Who got killed? I heard it was a gang member.
And yes. Violent protesting in countries with a healthy(ish) democratic system is usually immature.
And yes. Violent protesting in countries with a healthy(ish) democratic system is usually immature.
I just learned about it a few hours ago. My thought is what actually sparked the rioting?
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Apparently, a supposed gang member was gunned-down (with a shot to the head) by the police when the gang member fired a shot. I don't know where exactly where it started, but the majority of cities have joined in. Stoke are the last to join in, and something tells me more are going to participate in destroying the economy even further.
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London riots: Timeline and map of violence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499
Of all the things to protest about, a gang gunman getting shot doesn't seem top of the list :/
As an American, the more I read about this the more I think that this was handled wrong from the start.
- The subject Mark Duggan was said to have fired a modified Bruni BBM .380 starter pistol from the passenger seat of a car that was being stopped by police. I can't help but to think that if your country was more familiar with firearms they would know that a revolver of that style transfers what we call Gunshot Resedue or GSR to the shooters hand and sometimes cloths, forget the crap you might hear or read about "well sometimes it doesn't", as a firearms enthusiast I can tell you, even with a low velocity charge, that it happens 99% of the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunshot_residue This is easy enough to test for, and if they can't do it then here in the US we have independent Forensic labs that can do it for them for a fee.
- Why haven't your media outlets even mentioned the driver? I don't know if their declining to comment or not I can't find anything on who was driving the car. Or was this guy driving from the passenger seat?
- Nobody in their right mind pulls a .380 against a L.E.O. with an MP5. I'd like to know if this guy has had a history of mental illness\violent behavior that might explain this. This is a serious question, that isn't what I would think of as normal behavior and the BBC doesn't mention any criminal record for this guy.
Honestly I think that the English have better things to riot about then some random guy getting shot, unless there is some kind of police brutality streak occuing in the UK that I'm missing. Not to stir anyone up but what ever happend with that increase in university fees?
EDIT: As a side note, either fire, impeach or imprison the IDIOT responsible for issuing HOLLOW POINT BULLETS to officers with AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. You'd think this is obviously a bad idea, but some people...
- The subject Mark Duggan was said to have fired a modified Bruni BBM .380 starter pistol from the passenger seat of a car that was being stopped by police. I can't help but to think that if your country was more familiar with firearms they would know that a revolver of that style transfers what we call Gunshot Resedue or GSR to the shooters hand and sometimes cloths, forget the crap you might hear or read about "well sometimes it doesn't", as a firearms enthusiast I can tell you, even with a low velocity charge, that it happens 99% of the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunshot_residue This is easy enough to test for, and if they can't do it then here in the US we have independent Forensic labs that can do it for them for a fee.
- Why haven't your media outlets even mentioned the driver? I don't know if their declining to comment or not I can't find anything on who was driving the car. Or was this guy driving from the passenger seat?
- Nobody in their right mind pulls a .380 against a L.E.O. with an MP5. I'd like to know if this guy has had a history of mental illness\violent behavior that might explain this. This is a serious question, that isn't what I would think of as normal behavior and the BBC doesn't mention any criminal record for this guy.
Honestly I think that the English have better things to riot about then some random guy getting shot, unless there is some kind of police brutality streak occuing in the UK that I'm missing. Not to stir anyone up but what ever happend with that increase in university fees?
EDIT: As a side note, either fire, impeach or imprison the IDIOT responsible for issuing HOLLOW POINT BULLETS to officers with AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. You'd think this is obviously a bad idea, but some people...
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This gangman must've been an upstanding citizen and a loved member of his community :s
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There were small-time riots about the university fees thing as well, but this is nothing to do with that.
AFAIK there's no evidence Mark Duggan actually did anything, the link that CodeMonkey posted says that the bullet that was supposedly fired by him was "police issue", so it sounds like friendly fire to me.
Personally I think the riots are embarassing, and kind of scary since they're now within walking distance from my house in three directions. Anyone that comes into my house uninvited is getting stabbed, no questions asked.
AFAIK there's no evidence Mark Duggan actually did anything, the link that CodeMonkey posted says that the bullet that was supposedly fired by him was "police issue", so it sounds like friendly fire to me.
Personally I think the riots are embarassing, and kind of scary since they're now within walking distance from my house in three directions. Anyone that comes into my house uninvited is getting stabbed, no questions asked.
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I'm really curious about what would happen in the U.S. if the rioters behaved the same. The minute a riot broke out here there would be officers with assault rifles and shotguns and a swat team with tear gas and rubber bullets on the way. The mass of rioters with shields and sticks against the cops in the US would get shot if they started throwing stuff at the cops. Like in one video from London someone throws a molotov cocktail at the police, if that happened here the bullets would start flying.
The constant small crimes like muggings and random acts of arson and assault aren't as common here in the US because you don't know which law abiding citizen might be legally carrying a gun and about to legally give you a bad case of lead poisoning.
If someone comes into my house they're likely to get shot with my 12 gauge.
I't amazing to me that the police take to the streets in London with little shields and clubs and expects to stop the hordes of people who also have shields and clubs. If they have superior numbers the police are going to need superior firepower to maintain control.
In the US if you were to be that aggressive towards the police, if you're lucky you go to jail, because chances are you're going to die.
It's time for GB to call in the Army. I would recommend Seal team 6.
What's wrong with hollow point bullets? They're safer for police to use because they are stopped easier and wont travel through objects and kill people behind your target. They also leave a nice mess of whatever you were shooting at.
The constant small crimes like muggings and random acts of arson and assault aren't as common here in the US because you don't know which law abiding citizen might be legally carrying a gun and about to legally give you a bad case of lead poisoning.
If someone comes into my house they're likely to get shot with my 12 gauge.
I't amazing to me that the police take to the streets in London with little shields and clubs and expects to stop the hordes of people who also have shields and clubs. If they have superior numbers the police are going to need superior firepower to maintain control.
In the US if you were to be that aggressive towards the police, if you're lucky you go to jail, because chances are you're going to die.
It's time for GB to call in the Army. I would recommend Seal team 6.
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@Randal In this instance, I agree with you. In the face of superior numbers, the police don't stand a chance without using superior firepower. The only problem is, the riot was started because police shot some guy. If they shoot more things may well get worse.
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Honestly, I think the most important thing (which I'm 99% sure won't happen), is that the people who caused the damage are made to pay it all back. However long it takes. Because the economy and the taxpayer have better things to pay for right now. Apparently looting of a Sony warehouse will cause the bankruptcy of several record companies.
And these thugs really have no excuse. Some said that they weren't too poor to buy the stuff they stole, but they should be able to have it free. They also said that it was disgusting that they saw little girls out in all this. So it's alright for them to trash everything, but wrong for everyone else? They need to grow up and learn that they can't do things like this without severe retribution.
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Honestly, I think the most important thing (which I'm 99% sure won't happen), is that the people who caused the damage are made to pay it all back. However long it takes. Because the economy and the taxpayer have better things to pay for right now. Apparently looting of a Sony warehouse will cause the bankruptcy of several record companies.
And these thugs really have no excuse. Some said that they weren't too poor to buy the stuff they stole, but they should be able to have it free. They also said that it was disgusting that they saw little girls out in all this. So it's alright for them to trash everything, but wrong for everyone else? They need to grow up and learn that they can't do things like this without severe retribution.
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Got some links for you guys:
"London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
"Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065
watching these made my skin crawl...
These riots have nothing to do with a guy getting shot, these kids are just looking to loot and run a mock . Listen to the tw*t in this audio clip:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9560000/9560646.stm
I've got family in Manchester who fortunately were far away from the main epicenters of violence.
I've heard a lot of racism being directed towards ethic minorities blaming them for the riots, but what I think a lot of people have missed is the fact the perpetrators of the riots are from low income backgrounds.
I'm not too sure if that going far enough. I think it would be more appropriate if their possession were taken and their homes burned down and their families mugged.
"London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
"Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065
watching these made my skin crawl...
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| Honestly I think that the English have better things to riot about then some random guy getting shot, unless there is some kind of police brutality streak occuing in the UK that I'm missing. Not to stir anyone up but what ever happend with that increase in university fees? |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9560000/9560646.stm
I've got family in Manchester who fortunately were far away from the main epicenters of violence.
I've heard a lot of racism being directed towards ethic minorities blaming them for the riots, but what I think a lot of people have missed is the fact the perpetrators of the riots are from low income backgrounds.
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| the people who caused the damage are made to pay it all back. |
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9560000/9560646.stm |
The kid in that audio clip is literally asking to be shot at...
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| The kid in that audio clip is literally asking to be shot at... |
I think if some of these rioters "disappeared" England would be better off...
I don't want to come off as extreme. But we need this under control, and surely we could deploy watercannons or tear gas. Then it's non fatal, and it can't be said that the rioters deserve better.
EDIT: I was suggesting rubber bullets. Shooting to kill is as yet an unnecessary measure IMO.
EDIT: I was suggesting rubber bullets. Shooting to kill is as yet an unnecessary measure IMO.
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How about the novel idea of letting the Police got on with doing their job. Give them the resources they need and stop cutting their budget.
I agree with lnk2019, the vast majority of the people who are rioting don't care that Mark Duggan was shot, they're just opportunistic thieves who don't have two brain cells to rub together. I'd hate to be living in London right now though, glad I'm in the North.
Good news - the police are allowed to do what they need to do. For once, thank you David Cameron.
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