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Actually, I was pretty miserable the whole movie...the trailers looked AWESOME. I was super excited to see it, but nope...I got....that....
I can accept some things don't need to make sense, but there were waaaaaaay to many for me in this film...my biggest problem with the film though (and the deal breaker) was:
And the the programs were not 'program'-y at all...
I can accept some things don't need to make sense, but there were waaaaaaay to many for me in this film...my biggest problem with the film though (and the deal breaker) was:
This was the perfect opportunity to modernize the concept from the original film: personafications of software, that's what the first film was about and there's so much new technology today that could have been used...Think about Multithreaded apps, a character like Goro from Mortal Kombat with 4 arms kicking your ass throwing disks at you like a badass could be a multithreaded application. Or like an Email software that's a mailman, they could have personified Social Networking (Facebook, Myspace), wireless communication? all these new things and functions for computer and software, The Internet.This was the perfect oportunity to update the Tron concept, but they did nothing with it all....The Bit character from the original film was infinitely more original than anything this movie has...which is practically nothing but flashing lights and nifty 3d (I'll give it that) There is no intellectual level to this film, it knows nothing about computers...or cyber culture..totally wasted potential. This movie could have been so much more than just a big dumb action movie, it could have been on the same level as The Social Network but instead they play to the lowest common denominator. |
And the the programs were not 'program'-y at all...
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Actually, I just realized...South Park's Facebook/Tron episode is infinitely better conceptually than this film.
what do you want dark? It WAS Disney after all. and I say for a Disney movie it was excellent.
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It's not the tone of the film...it's just so many plot points don't make sense, the characters suck, and they use the action/3d to try and cover it up.
Saying it's ok for it to be stupid because it's Disney is just making excuses.
A movie can still be fun, stimulating, and familly friendly, Pixar are masters of this. Wall-E is a perfect example of modern humanity and technology film, kids love it, parents love it, and there's plenty there to stimulate your mind.
What about the original Star Wars movies? There's more to love in those films then just the space ships and lightsaber fights, and they are perfectly acceptable for slightly older children (I saw them for the first time when I was 8 years old)
Saying it's ok for it to be stupid because it's Disney is just making excuses.
A movie can still be fun, stimulating, and familly friendly, Pixar are masters of this. Wall-E is a perfect example of modern humanity and technology film, kids love it, parents love it, and there's plenty there to stimulate your mind.
What about the original Star Wars movies? There's more to love in those films then just the space ships and lightsaber fights, and they are perfectly acceptable for slightly older children (I saw them for the first time when I was 8 years old)
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I love Pixar. I consider it Steve Jobs' only success.
Screw Dreamworks. All their characters are the same: http://www.themovieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pixar-vs-dreamworks.jpg
Screw Dreamworks. All their characters are the same: http://www.themovieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pixar-vs-dreamworks.jpg
I haven't seen it.
That link is dead (they don't allow hotlinking) so here's the article instead: http://themovieblog.com/2009/04/pixar-vs-dreamworks
That link is dead (they don't allow hotlinking) so here's the article instead: http://themovieblog.com/2009/04/pixar-vs-dreamworks
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darkestfright, I agree with every word you've said. But no one really cares. It could have been better. It turned out to be a somewhat fine action movie. It could have been a lot worse. There's no need to make a fuss about it.
I may be using a very loose definition of 'fuss'.
By the way, about that "no one really cares" part. It was about how public seems to accept bad movies just as well as the good ones. I thought that might have been a little unclear..
By the way, about that "no one really cares" part. It was about how public seems to accept bad movies just as well as the good ones. I thought that might have been a little unclear..
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It's lowest common denominator syndrome, mostly.
And it depends on your definition of 'fine' action movie. Does it have explosions and flashing lights? yeah sure....but there's little to no dramatic tension so the action has no context...making it all just kindof pointless.
And it depends on your definition of 'fine' action movie. Does it have explosions and flashing lights? yeah sure....but there's little to no dramatic tension so the action has no context...making it all just kindof pointless.
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Ok... here we go, now that I had the time here is my response to darkestfright:
If your father was the greatest computer scientist of all time and you aspired to be him… and he told you wondrous stories of this digital world he created… and one day he just disappeared, I believe you would pretty much lose it. I think they developed Sam’s character appropriately. Sure he could have walked in and taken over the company, but he was lost without his father. He was a millionaire living in a shed who dropped out of his father’s Alma Mater, so you can see he tried to follow in his father’s footsteps but is just too messed up. Before he base jumps off the Encom tower he says “Hey dad how’s it going” and looks up at the night sky.
The reporters were waiting for a press release and stated “It appears Encom is having technical difficulties” because their systems were locked and they couldn’t broadcast, it had nothing to do with the OS release. What stocks plummeting? The yellow bar you saw was the number of downloads that had now occurred against the now public OS, not a stock chart. Also, he didn’t upload the OS, he uploaded the entire source code.
What crimes? Can you steal from yourself? He owned the OS and the entire building. Even running from the police wasn’t a crime. You can’t resist arrest for a crime against yourself.
What? Because Alan knew where this was going. Sam’s father suddenly makes contact… the first person that should know is Sam.
The guy went to Caltech, do you really think he couldn’t find his way around the system??
… He knows he’s in the grid because his father promised to take him there and constantly told him stories… he’s telling him one the moment the movie starts! Also… the place is a giant grid… He won the disk battles by luck alone, not skill. He had no idea what he was doing.
I will admit… at times the CG of young Flynn was a bit odd and needed a lot of work. Of course they used the same CG model, only a few years had passed since Flynn made clu in his image.
No he didn’t know if Sam would come through, it was a guess that he was hoping would work out. Flynn was building the grid with CLU for at least 7 years, do you think he didn’t tell him about his son? He didn’t know where to find Flynn, but CLU hoped it would draw Flynn out with the portal opened. It doesn’t matter who came through the portal. When CLU encounters sam he confirms if it’s just him that came through. You also her Flynn say CLU got more than he bargained for with Sam. This is all about the portal, not necessarily sam. Clu did try to kill sam which again indicates he was of no value.
No, it was that their VEHICLES would malfunction off the grid which was clearly stated, and before you could question the one sam was in, quorra transformed the wheels so that she could go off grid right after explaining.
You got me on this one, and it’s the first thing my wife said. Honestly no idea. Maybe he programmed a food replicator. If he can create the grid and the programs in it, surely he can create a pig right? … oh and green beans.
You keep forgetting here… this isn’t Tron… this is Tron Legacy. This is not the grid from Tron, it’s a new world built by Flynn and CLU. I thought they did an excellent job with the light cycles.
Again, thought they did an excellent job. Obviously graphics have dramatically improved since 1982!!
It was stated several times that a disk was cloned to the program. All activities were recorded. If your disk was destroyed you were derezzed. Flynns disk contains all of his knowledge and programming right down to the genetic sequencing. Which means clu would have access to the programs that made it possible to turn matter into digital data and vice versa. At the time CLU was mobilizing a massive army toward to portal and thought there were no threats now that he had quorra. Also Tron was on the loose.
| Let's start at the beginning. The whole premise that Sam breaks into this company to steal the operating system is fundamentally flawed to begin with. First of all he's the majority share holder and can just walk in and take over the company whenever he wants, but he doesn't...why? Because he's a rebel! Duhhhhhh |
If your father was the greatest computer scientist of all time and you aspired to be him… and he told you wondrous stories of this digital world he created… and one day he just disappeared, I believe you would pretty much lose it. I think they developed Sam’s character appropriately. Sure he could have walked in and taken over the company, but he was lost without his father. He was a millionaire living in a shed who dropped out of his father’s Alma Mater, so you can see he tried to follow in his father’s footsteps but is just too messed up. Before he base jumps off the Encom tower he says “Hey dad how’s it going” and looks up at the night sky.
| And the entire scene where the OS is on the internet, and everyone starts freaking out and the their corporate world starts ending instantly makes no sense at all...How do the reporters know that this happened? How is it being reported minutes after it happens? The stocks plummit INSTANTLY? This crap is stupid, and they act like an Operating System has never been pirated before...do the people who wrote this movie actually know ANYTHING about computers? I doubt it... |
The reporters were waiting for a press release and stated “It appears Encom is having technical difficulties” because their systems were locked and they couldn’t broadcast, it had nothing to do with the OS release. What stocks plummeting? The yellow bar you saw was the number of downloads that had now occurred against the now public OS, not a stock chart. Also, he didn’t upload the OS, he uploaded the entire source code.
| How the hell does he get out of jail so fast? He's commited so many crimes in just the first few minutes of this movie it boggles my mind, it makes no sense. |
What crimes? Can you steal from yourself? He owned the OS and the entire building. Even running from the police wasn’t a crime. You can’t resist arrest for a crime against yourself.
Then there's that seen where the Bruce Boxleitner character tells Sam about the page and that Sam should go to the arcade...ummmm...why? Shouldn't the other guy go instead because HE'S THE ONE WHO GOT THE PAGE...Of course not, because the plot demands it. |
What? Because Alan knew where this was going. Sam’s father suddenly makes contact… the first person that should know is Sam.
| How the hell did Sam ACCIDENTALY input the command to zap himself into the grid? That's like putting a Linux prompt in front my grandma and having her accidentally type in sudo rm -rf / . And no, he didn't just look up the command history, he was typing random crap and he ACCIDENTALLY activated some obscure command. I call BULLSHIT |
The guy went to Caltech, do you really think he couldn’t find his way around the system??
| THEN, when Sam finally arrives in the grid....how the eff is he such an uber badass right away? How does he even know that he's in the grid? How could he have possibly won that disk fight, how does he know everything? There's no period of adjustment to being in the gird, he's just a super badass right away. IT'S STUPID |
… He knows he’s in the grid because his father promised to take him there and constantly told him stories… he’s telling him one the moment the movie starts! Also… the place is a giant grid… He won the disk battles by luck alone, not skill. He had no idea what he was doing.
| Don't even get me started with Clu...the uncanney valley is so deep with that cd model it's laughable. And it's not like they were trying to make it appear terrible THEY USED THE SAME CG MODEL IN THE REAL-WORLD FLASHBACK. Not only that, it seems the model looks WORSE as the movie goes forward...it boggles my mind how the producers were like "That looks great, ship it". |
I will admit… at times the CG of young Flynn was a bit odd and needed a lot of work. Of course they used the same CG model, only a few years had passed since Flynn made clu in his image.
| Not to mention his plan was pants-on-head-retarded to begin with. There's no way that he could have known that Sam would come through the portal...or that Flynn even had a son. Even if he did know, how would however came through the portal know where to find Flynn? Ok sure, send a message out into the real world to get somebody to come in fine....there's no guarantee that they would be able to find Flynn. Even then...if the purpose of Sam coming through the portal was to get him to find Flynn for him THEN WHY DID CLU TRY TO KILL SAM AS SOON AS HE GOT THERE |
No he didn’t know if Sam would come through, it was a guess that he was hoping would work out. Flynn was building the grid with CLU for at least 7 years, do you think he didn’t tell him about his son? He didn’t know where to find Flynn, but CLU hoped it would draw Flynn out with the portal opened. It doesn’t matter who came through the portal. When CLU encounters sam he confirms if it’s just him that came through. You also her Flynn say CLU got more than he bargained for with Sam. This is all about the portal, not necessarily sam. Clu did try to kill sam which again indicates he was of no value.
| Another braindead scene is when Clu's cronies track everyone down, and they're like "Let's go get them!"....not even 5 minutes before that they just established that THEY COULDN'T GO THERE BECAUSE THEY WOULD MALFUNCTION but hey continuity and logic don't matter. |
No, it was that their VEHICLES would malfunction off the grid which was clearly stated, and before you could question the one sam was in, quorra transformed the wheels so that she could go off grid right after explaining.
| And what's up with the Dinner Scene? Where did the food come from? Did Flynn program that juicy pig? this makes no sense at ALL |
You got me on this one, and it’s the first thing my wife said. Honestly no idea. Maybe he programmed a food replicator. If he can create the grid and the programs in it, surely he can create a pig right? … oh and green beans.
| And what's up with all the bad-ass disk throwing, bullet-time, light-cycle hopping crap in the action scenes...it makes no sense. In the original movie, Tron was the only character that could actually fight competently..because he was a SECURITY program. |
You keep forgetting here… this isn’t Tron… this is Tron Legacy. This is not the grid from Tron, it’s a new world built by Flynn and CLU. I thought they did an excellent job with the light cycles.
| Not to mention...there were only like 2 references to the original movie in this. Considering much of the hype was based on the fact that it's a long overdue (I say that lightly) sequel, the don't do anything with the Tron heritage. In fact, in a lot of places they totally betray alot of the classic Tron imagery. For example, the Lightcycles in the original film..there was an encroaching danger in the way the walls raise up behind making the danger to crash way more threatening...but in this movie....there's no pan outs, no zoom shots...nothing. Just whizzy drive by's and bullet time...STUPID |
Again, thought they did an excellent job. Obviously graphics have dramatically improved since 1982!!
What's the point of the data disk anyway? They never explain exactly why it's so important to the whole process of getting Clu into the real world...only that it is. Then when they finally get it...the good guys basically just go and take it back. There was only like what...FOUR people guarding it? Clu has an army, and this is the lynchpin to his plan, and he has FOUR PEOPLE GUARD IT....argggghhhhhh my brain hurts this makes no fucking sense. |
It was stated several times that a disk was cloned to the program. All activities were recorded. If your disk was destroyed you were derezzed. Flynns disk contains all of his knowledge and programming right down to the genetic sequencing. Which means clu would have access to the programs that made it possible to turn matter into digital data and vice versa. At the time CLU was mobilizing a massive army toward to portal and thought there were no threats now that he had quorra. Also Tron was on the loose.
| The whole 'new life form' concept also makes no sense conceptually, not to mention they never explain why they are such a threat to Clu in the first place. In fact, CLu never even explains why he's not satisfied with the direction the world is taking, only that it is, and just goes from 0 to EVIL instantly. There's no development or progression. Characters in this story have all these empty motivations with nothing to explain any of them. Even the characters themselves are totally underdevelopped, even Quorra who not only is a native to the grid and understands the way the world works she's also one of the New Life Forms. We never get any kind of insight into the world from her, they say she's special, but we never see WHY. Wait I know...it's because Olivia Wilde is smoking hot. >.< |
There’s just not enough time in the movie to explain these things. Play the games that are out, they fill in the gaps. CLU didn’t need to explain why, perfection is all about what you feel is perfect, therefore you eliminate anything that doesn’t meet your criteria. I recall seeing why she was special… when she had her arm chopped off Flynn explained her advanced DNA, ability to regenerate, etc…
| There's another scene where they're like "Hey, that Light Train that just came out of nowhere will take us to the Portal"...How do you know that? You can't just pull bullshit out of your ass like that, there's no reason that you would know that. |
Again… Flynn built the grid, do you think he doesn’t know where that stupid thing went? He even indicated he was familiar with it when they arrived at an unexpected checkpoint that CLU setup for the army
| And oh my god....ZEUS...what the flying fuck is this guy's deal? Why is he like that? If everything in the grid is a computer program has a purpose, what's his purpose? To act gay and play air guitar? Not to mention the ridiculous accent....arggh....Why is there a Club in the grid? Why is the purpose of the people there? It makes no sense in context of a computer...these aren't programs...these are just regular people in stupid outfits. |
It’s Zuse. He was with CLU during the original Purge of the ISOS and decided he needed to reinvent himself as well… I thought they did a good job with him as well… it was hilarious when he started shooting beams out of his staff. That’s the thing, these aren’t programs like we think, it’s not an accounting application anymore like in Tron. They are sentient digital beings.
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You guys do realize you're arguing over the quality of a movie right? Arguing who's right or wrong on whether or not the movie is good is about as counter productive as putting your hand in a meat grinder as an attempt to build a birdhouse.
As for the legitimacy of it all. I have 2 things to say. 1: It's a movie, a FANTASY movie, things don't always have to make sense. and 2: It's a movie made by a company known for bad scripts, bad plots and all around bad writing in general that primarily caters to children's films...probably because they aren't capable of much else.
As for the legitimacy of it all. I have 2 things to say. 1: It's a movie, a FANTASY movie, things don't always have to make sense. and 2: It's a movie made by a company known for bad scripts, bad plots and all around bad writing in general that primarily caters to children's films...probably because they aren't capable of much else.
I'm not arguing over the quality of the movie, I think it was excellent. I'm explaining it to darkestfright as he/she seems to have missed some things. I agree it's pretty stupid that I even invested the time to respond lol.
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I appreciate your response Return 0, I don't get the chance to hear legitimate responses to my opinions from my friends most of the time because they're more like "OMG IT WAS TEH AWSUM", so it was nice to get your input.
My girlfriend is dragging me to see it again because she hasn't seen it yet, so my opinion may change.
My girlfriend is dragging me to see it again because she hasn't seen it yet, so my opinion may change.
Hey guys, the film might be good, be the game...NOPE.
got a 55/100 on the gaming magazine I read, and other online resources bash it into the ground ^^
got a 55/100 on the gaming magazine I read, and other online resources bash it into the ground ^^
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Yeah, but all movie games suck...
Except for the Scott Pilgrim vs. The World game, and Goldeneye...
Except for the Scott Pilgrim vs. The World game, and Goldeneye...
Thanks return 0, I couldn't have said it better myself. Darkestfright: you would have some points, if you hadn't gotten it all wrong. noo... i'm not trying to start a flame war, just pointing out the obvious, that it wasn't a perfect movie, it did have some flaws, however none of what you mentioned. And return 0 pretty much saved me from having to respond to each detail, thanks again return 0.
Did anyone else notice the symbolic similarity between the dinner scene from Tron Legacy, and 2001 a space odyssy. I don't think that every scene in a movie has to tie in to the plot intricately, but also may serve as allusionary devices, i.e. to get you to think. Also is it a coincidence that the sequel to 2001, was titled 2010, the same year in which we have the sequel to Tron?.... Also did ne1 notice that they showed (i think it was Sam) eating asparagus, the same (and curiously enough only vegetable to be shown) eaten by Greg Focker in Meet the Parents, which also curiously enough had a sequal released at almost the same time as Tron Legacy?
And what's up with the Dinner Scene? Where did the food come from? Did Flynn program that juicy pig? this makes no sense at ALL |
Did anyone else notice the symbolic similarity between the dinner scene from Tron Legacy, and 2001 a space odyssy. I don't think that every scene in a movie has to tie in to the plot intricately, but also may serve as allusionary devices, i.e. to get you to think. Also is it a coincidence that the sequel to 2001, was titled 2010, the same year in which we have the sequel to Tron?.... Also did ne1 notice that they showed (i think it was Sam) eating asparagus, the same (and curiously enough only vegetable to be shown) eaten by Greg Focker in Meet the Parents, which also curiously enough had a sequal released at almost the same time as Tron Legacy?
*BIG SPOILER*
Y'all didn't point out the biggest continuity error of all. At the end, Quorra held the father's data disk, not hers, but she
was the one that got uploaded, not the father. Oops.
I have to agree overall with darkestfright. The plot was essentially the same as the original, only with 2010
movie and animation technology instead of 1980. And I also felt that there were fewer ties to computers in this
movie than in the original (everyone remember the bit and the bugs that popped up from time to time from the original?)
Y'all didn't point out the biggest continuity error of all. At the end, Quorra held the father's data disk, not hers, but she
was the one that got uploaded, not the father. Oops.
I have to agree overall with darkestfright. The plot was essentially the same as the original, only with 2010
movie and animation technology instead of 1980. And I also felt that there were fewer ties to computers in this
movie than in the original (everyone remember the bit and the bugs that popped up from time to time from the original?)