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Rant: I hate Apple (some foul language within)
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Dec 9, 2010 at 4:47am
This isnt' new. I've known that I hate Apple for a long time.
I recently lost the MP3 player my sister bought for me as a present several years ago (some Sansa clip 2GB thing -- freaking thing was tiny, I'm surprised I didn't lose it sooner). So I started shopping for a replacement.
Pretty much I had the mentality "anything but an iPod". So I started looking around.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything that matched up to the 160 GB iPod classic. All the alternatives I found that had comparable storage space were twice as expensive and thrice as bulky... or they were a phone.
So I bit the bullet. How bad could it be, right?
The iPod itself is great. Except for 3 relatively minor things and one tragically epic flaw:
1) It's a little unresponsive.
2) There's no volume buttons. You have to use that slider thing, which is retarded for volume control. Makes it impossible to change the volume while in menus, and makes it awkward to change the volume while the thing is in your pocket.
3) I'm not sure if it supports ogg vorbis or not. I haven't checked yet. I didn't see anything about it on the box, though it mentioned formats other than ogg vorbis.
4) THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT -- YOU HAVE TO USE ITUNES
Any other MP3 player on the market works like a flash drive. You plug it in, you copy files to it. Simple and something everyone's familiar with.
But of course that's too simple for Apple. Instead they make me download this bloated jukebox software that is blantantly stuffed with all sorts of spyware. I don't even think they were trying to hide it.
Now every time I plug in my iPod to charge it, iTunes pops up a screen in my face telling me to register. WTF, you got my $250 already, just go away. Of course there's only "Register" and "Remind me later" options. No "don't ask me again" option that's typical of every other program in existence (except for the ones made by Apple or Adobe, of course)
After a few days I finally wore down (again succumbing to Apple's bullshit) and begin the registration process. After filling out page after page of useless information it starts asking me for my credit card information.
What the hell. Do they really expect me to give them my credit card information just to register my iPod and stop them from throwing popups in my face?
Screw you Apple. You're not getting my credit card info. I'll admit you know how to make a good MP3 player, but I'll be damned if I'm giving you a cent more than I have to.
Fortunately I have a USB adaptor that plugs into a wall outlet, so I can charge my iPod without having to plug it into my computer. Of course I'll still have to deal with that bullshit when I want to change out my music.
And I half expect the USB adaptor not to work. Like the iPod will give some error message like "iTunes not detected -- shutting down" or something. As retarded as that sounds, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it really happens.
What do you think will happen 3 months from now when iTunes realizes I haven't registered yet? Will it stop working? Will it give me more pop ups?
So yeah. I'm bitter. Fucking Apple.
EDIT:
oh yeah and you can't copy files off the iPod
I forgot to mention that.
You can only copy them to it, but you can't pull them off at a later time.
I recently lost the MP3 player my sister bought for me as a present several years ago (some Sansa clip 2GB thing -- freaking thing was tiny, I'm surprised I didn't lose it sooner). So I started shopping for a replacement.
Pretty much I had the mentality "anything but an iPod". So I started looking around.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything that matched up to the 160 GB iPod classic. All the alternatives I found that had comparable storage space were twice as expensive and thrice as bulky... or they were a phone.
So I bit the bullet. How bad could it be, right?
The iPod itself is great. Except for 3 relatively minor things and one tragically epic flaw:
1) It's a little unresponsive.
2) There's no volume buttons. You have to use that slider thing, which is retarded for volume control. Makes it impossible to change the volume while in menus, and makes it awkward to change the volume while the thing is in your pocket.
3) I'm not sure if it supports ogg vorbis or not. I haven't checked yet. I didn't see anything about it on the box, though it mentioned formats other than ogg vorbis.
4) THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT -- YOU HAVE TO USE ITUNES
Any other MP3 player on the market works like a flash drive. You plug it in, you copy files to it. Simple and something everyone's familiar with.
But of course that's too simple for Apple. Instead they make me download this bloated jukebox software that is blantantly stuffed with all sorts of spyware. I don't even think they were trying to hide it.
Now every time I plug in my iPod to charge it, iTunes pops up a screen in my face telling me to register. WTF, you got my $250 already, just go away. Of course there's only "Register" and "Remind me later" options. No "don't ask me again" option that's typical of every other program in existence (except for the ones made by Apple or Adobe, of course)
After a few days I finally wore down (again succumbing to Apple's bullshit) and begin the registration process. After filling out page after page of useless information it starts asking me for my credit card information.
What the hell. Do they really expect me to give them my credit card information just to register my iPod and stop them from throwing popups in my face?
Screw you Apple. You're not getting my credit card info. I'll admit you know how to make a good MP3 player, but I'll be damned if I'm giving you a cent more than I have to.
Fortunately I have a USB adaptor that plugs into a wall outlet, so I can charge my iPod without having to plug it into my computer. Of course I'll still have to deal with that bullshit when I want to change out my music.
And I half expect the USB adaptor not to work. Like the iPod will give some error message like "iTunes not detected -- shutting down" or something. As retarded as that sounds, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it really happens.
What do you think will happen 3 months from now when iTunes realizes I haven't registered yet? Will it stop working? Will it give me more pop ups?
So yeah. I'm bitter. Fucking Apple.
EDIT:
oh yeah and you can't copy files off the iPod
I forgot to mention that.
You can only copy them to it, but you can't pull them off at a later time.
Last edited on Dec 9, 2010 at 4:55am
Dec 9, 2010 at 4:48am| Albatross wrote: |
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| [12/08/2010 -:- 08:47:53 PM] Albatross whistles. [12/08/2010 -:- 08:47:59 PM] <@Albatross> That is one helluva rant. |
More to the point, though. Apple has been doing some crazy stuff recently, and the whole proprietary hardware thing does irritate me somewhat. The only reason I'm not on a different system right now is because it would be a waste of money to get a new computer.
That said, Apple is not as terrible as the rant makes it sound. I have heard no evidence that iTunes is loaded with spyware aside from this rant (and I think this would make the headlines). If the supplied USB adapter doesn't work, then there would also be complaints about that. However, they have been doing some crazy stuff recently.
-Albatross
Last edited on Dec 9, 2010 at 4:57am
Dec 9, 2010 at 5:09am
Just bought my first iPod my self and I gotta say I do like it. I loathe mac with a passion but not blindly.
Just a few notes. You DONT need iTunes as most iPods are compatible with at the very least winamp (and that's a pretty good very least to begin with) You can copy files to it easily with this, as for restoring them I havent tried yet. Something I'd like to to but can't is install RockBox firmware on my iPod...i seem to have the generation of nano that was dropped from RockBox support.
Basically rockbox is an Open source alternative Firmware for your mp3 player. It's page is http://www.rockbox.org/ but I dunno how long ago it was updated. It might be dead....
If not, i'd suggest it if your iPod is fully supported. I loved it on my sansa
Just a few notes. You DONT need iTunes as most iPods are compatible with at the very least winamp (and that's a pretty good very least to begin with) You can copy files to it easily with this, as for restoring them I havent tried yet. Something I'd like to to but can't is install RockBox firmware on my iPod...i seem to have the generation of nano that was dropped from RockBox support.
Basically rockbox is an Open source alternative Firmware for your mp3 player. It's page is http://www.rockbox.org/ but I dunno how long ago it was updated. It might be dead....
If not, i'd suggest it if your iPod is fully supported. I loved it on my sansa
Dec 9, 2010 at 8:22am
I guess for Apple fans, it's some kind of acquired "taste". You either love it or hate it. I not Apple fan for the simple fact developing on them require proprietary SDK, OS.
Google Chrome OS is coming out next year. That will be the platform I will target for development :P
Google Chrome OS is coming out next year. That will be the platform I will target for development :P
Dec 9, 2010 at 9:02am
Sohguanh, you do realise that Mac OS is built on UNIX, which means you can just as easily use header files that are in the kernel as in Linux? Further, you don't need Xcode, you can just install Code::Blocks, if that is your problem. Finally, pretty much every 3rd party library works on Mac OS.
And although Chrome OS really sounds neat, I don't think I will have 100% internet connection at all time, which makes it kind of useless for me. I do see potential for others, though.
And although Chrome OS really sounds neat, I don't think I will have 100% internet connection at all time, which makes it kind of useless for me. I do see potential for others, though.
Dec 9, 2010 at 9:16am
I think it was mentioned that Chrome OS will have some features available when you are off-line so you still can use it to work with (I presume save somewhere) and then once on-line again, it will automatically re-sync back.
It is like I get internet connection to login my web-based email and then I download them down to my pc. After I disconnect from internet, I read those emails in my pc.
As for Mac OS, their pricing are exorbitant by my standards. If a decent OS like Linux can be purchased at much cheaper price and even stable, I don't know why Apple must price their Mac OS so high isn't it ? Are they trying to send a signal to us in order to get a good and stable OS you need to fork out a leg and an arm ?
It is called "Apple-mania" I guess :)
It is like I get internet connection to login my web-based email and then I download them down to my pc. After I disconnect from internet, I read those emails in my pc.
As for Mac OS, their pricing are exorbitant by my standards. If a decent OS like Linux can be purchased at much cheaper price and even stable, I don't know why Apple must price their Mac OS so high isn't it ? Are they trying to send a signal to us in order to get a good and stable OS you need to fork out a leg and an arm ?
It is called "Apple-mania" I guess :)
Dec 9, 2010 at 9:56amclosed account (z05DSL3A)
First I would disagree that the price of Mac OS X is overly high. Over the past 10 years of running Windows, Linux and Mac OS X, I have spent far more on Windows and Linux (RHEL).
They have to pay developers?
I don't care much for Chrome OS as the very idea of personal 'Cloud computing' fills me thought about what could go wrong.
| I don't know why Apple must price their Mac OS so high |
I don't care much for Chrome OS as the very idea of personal 'Cloud computing' fills me thought about what could go wrong.
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Dec 9, 2010 at 10:50am
160GB iPod Classic for $250? What? Something's not matching up here. Do you mean the new iPod Touch 16GB for $250? If you have the iPod Touch, you can just use the iTunes on there. I never buy any of my music through the iTunes on my computer, I always do it through my iPhone. The iTunes for it is much, MUCH easier to use.
Last edited on Dec 9, 2010 at 10:52am
Dec 9, 2010 at 11:17amclosed account (z05DSL3A)
| 160GB iPod Classic for $250? What? Something's not matching up here. |
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Dec 9, 2010 at 5:51pm
You have to remember that Apple is a hardware manufacturer. It's a precarious business, just think about how many of the big names are left, Apollo, DEC, Compaq, Sun, ... are all gone.
Anyway when it looked bad for Microsoft with their monopoly thing towards the end of the Clinton era, Apple was almost dead.
They've used Unix and given it a face, which is good right? The kit is generally a sheer pleasure to use.
I'm against iTunes in principle, I hate monopolies. And I went to "anything but an iPod" too. I ended up with a COWON.
Anyway when it looked bad for Microsoft with their monopoly thing towards the end of the Clinton era, Apple was almost dead.
They've used Unix and given it a face, which is good right? The kit is generally a sheer pleasure to use.
I'm against iTunes in principle, I hate monopolies. And I went to "anything but an iPod" too. I ended up with a COWON.
Last edited on Dec 9, 2010 at 7:15pm
Dec 9, 2010 at 7:05pm| Albatross wrote: |
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| That said, Apple is not as terrible as the rant makes it sound. I have heard no evidence that iTunes is loaded with spyware aside from this rant (and I think this would make the headlines). |
It seems pretty obvious to me that it maintains an internet connection at all times. The only reason it would have for this would be to sending statistics bad to the iTunes store. That's spyware in my book.
I suppose I'm speculating and don't have any direct evidence... but I'm pretty sure I could prove it if I bothered to read the ToS (but who does that?)
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| Just bought my first iPod my self and I gotta say I do like it. |
Don't get me wrong. The iPod itself is wonderful. My beef is that Apple has this bad habit of suckering you into this black hole of dispair.
If you use one product by Apple, you have to use 10 others by Apple to make it work. They've always been like this -- and it's why they could never seriously compete with Microsoft in the PC market.
And as soon as some other company comes out with a respectable MP3 player -- I suspect Apple will suffer the same fate in that market as well. Lots of people don't want to deal with that bullshit.
As was already mentioned in the thread, Apple was in serious trouble in the PC market until they decided to change and adopt Unix. But even then they weren't doing too great until they caved again to switch to x86.
It seems like every smart business dicision they ever did was an example of them abanoning/compromising these practices on some level. Yet they still continue to do it. You think they'd learn.
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| Just a few notes. You DONT need iTunes as most iPods are compatible with at the very least winamp (and that's a pretty good very least to begin with) |
I haven't actually tried this yet. If it works, then that's awesome.
How do you copy songs to a device in Winamp though? I thought it was just a media player?
And I know about Rockbox. I just assumed it didn't work with iPods though. Perhaps I should give it another look.
Dec 9, 2010 at 8:35pm
The Winamp5 and up will manage mp3 players, and it manages ipods quite well. It works with my iPod, but I dunno the compatibility list.
Dec 10, 2010 at 3:57amclosed account (1yR4jE8b)
I use Winamp with my 160gB iPod classic and it works great.
Dec 11, 2010 at 5:59am
For a few years now I've used an iPhone 3G, but then I lost it at the airport. After awhile I realized that I require data to survive, so, I went to look for a new smart phone.
At first, I was thinking about getting an iPhone 4 (out of familiarity), but instead I fell in love with the Samsung Galaxy S running Android <3<3<3
It's not as "user-friendly" as the iPhone, but that's exactly what I love about it. There's no limitations purposely put in place by a freakishly controlling company. There's no legal issues if I try to hack it. There's no screening of any app put in the market, AND the SDK is free (not $100 like Apple requires). Plus, iPhone apps are programmed with Objective-C, something that's used only in Apple products. Android apps are programmed in Java, meaning they can be easily ported to and from other systems.
Something that I REALLY like about android is that it lets you browse through the file system. Apple simply doesn't let you, unless you were to hack it, in which case you get in legal trouble because Apple is, once again, a freakishly controlling company.
At first, I was thinking about getting an iPhone 4 (out of familiarity), but instead I fell in love with the Samsung Galaxy S running Android <3<3<3
It's not as "user-friendly" as the iPhone, but that's exactly what I love about it. There's no limitations purposely put in place by a freakishly controlling company. There's no legal issues if I try to hack it. There's no screening of any app put in the market, AND the SDK is free (not $100 like Apple requires). Plus, iPhone apps are programmed with Objective-C, something that's used only in Apple products. Android apps are programmed in Java, meaning they can be easily ported to and from other systems.
Something that I REALLY like about android is that it lets you browse through the file system. Apple simply doesn't let you, unless you were to hack it, in which case you get in legal trouble because Apple is, once again, a freakishly controlling company.
Last edited on Dec 11, 2010 at 6:00am
Dec 13, 2010 at 7:06am| It's not as "user-friendly" as the iPhone |
I think above statement is subjective. Motorola used to manufacture mobile phone with user interface that is so hard to use that they lost all initial momentum when mobile phone era was just taking off. I am referring to those black and white color mobile phone era before the color version came in later.
Now with Android, Motorola maybe having a second chance again. I own a Milestone and I think it is pretty ok with the user interface mainly due to Android look-and-feel.
I believe in the next coming year 2011, Android-powered devices will over-take Apple iPhone. The reason is simple, hardware manufacturers prefer Open Source software so they can lower the total cost of smart-phone and those savings can be passed to consumers.
Notebook, netbook that runs Linux are a few hundred dollars cheaper in my country than their cousin with same hardware specs but runs Windoze 7.
Dec 13, 2010 at 3:03pmclosed account (z05DSL3A)
| I think above statement is subjective |
Is not the whole thread subjective?
| I believe in the next coming year 2011, Android-powered devices will over-take Apple iPhone. |
With regards to netbooks et al, Linux has lost its foot hold here. The reason why? The manufactures "who prefer Open Source software" have pushed Windows. The reason why Linux was used in the first place, probable because Windows did not fit.
Will this happen to smart phones? Will Android cave under the pressure from Microsoft? Possibly not because the advantage it has is that it is being pushed by single company, this didn't happen with netbooks. However it could all come crashing down if Oracle have their way.
On to a freakishly controlling company. I personally don't blame a company for protecting their brand. Yes Android has a free SDK and you can put anything you like on the market but that does not fill me with any confidence in the quality or ethicise of said software.
Dec 13, 2010 at 11:34pm| Grey Wolf wrote: |
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| On to a freakishly controlling company. I personally don't blame a company for protecting their brand. Yes Android has a free SDK and you can put anything you like on the market but that does not fill me with any confidence in the quality or ethicise of said software. |
That's why you can report malicious software, and download antiviral programs. But, I do agree with you somewhat. It's just that we can do the same with PCs, and yet we don't contract deadly blow-up-your-computer viruses that often.
Last edited on Dec 13, 2010 at 11:34pm
Dec 14, 2010 at 1:05am| antiviral programs. |
Ahaha... The motto of an antivirus programs: one of my favorite quotes from the movie "Brazil":
"Can you fix the problem?"
"No I can't. But I can circumvent it with this."
***
What do you call a program that slows down your computer, runs when you don't want it to run, downloads stuff from the internet and runs it on your computer without asking you for permission, accesses at random and modifies files on your system without permission and collects information about your computer?
Antivirus software. Or was it virus software?
One more. Who makes the greatest profit from the writing of PC viruses?
The antivirus software companies... ;)
Last edited on Dec 14, 2010 at 1:06am
Dec 14, 2010 at 2:13am| Yes Android has a free SDK and you can put anything you like on the market but that does not fill me with any confidence in the quality or ethicise of said software. |
I am not trying to start a flame-war in this forum but your above statement indicate you are not very "happy" with the quality or ethicise of Android SDK ?
Can you give some examples why you think Android SDK quality is below your expectations? I am trying to learn more in here.
PS
I do not work for Google. It is just their multiple Open Source initiatives fit to my work-place and leisure needs and that is how I get "hooked". I am not saying they control (at least their choosing of Python for Google App Engine irritate me a lot) me.
Back when Java was the rage, Sun Microsystem also have a lot to offer but now with Oracle taking ownership, I await to see how they would continue the tradition but I doubt so as they are very commercial-driven.
Dec 14, 2010 at 8:56amclosed account (z05DSL3A)
| sohguanh wrote: |
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| I am not trying to start a flame-war in this forum but your above statement indicate you are not very "happy" with the quality or ethicise of Android SDK ? |
It is NOT the SDK, it is the software that is written with it. It is also not that I am unhappy with the quality or ethicise, it is that I don't trust the software/developers in terms of quality or ethicise.
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