I am the lord of the wind...

[Kyon]

I knew I had phrased it wrongly and it's ashame I can't do it any better, I'm still not too great at English.

[helios]

I'm assuming by "not solid" you meant "immaterial". It's still wrong, because light is immaterial but it's also not nothing.

[Kyon]

I know the physics, man. I'm just not too great at English. ;)

[m4ster r0shi]

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|Origins of the Self, Time and Space|
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(maybe this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRrTrW3cm3c will make the reading more enjoyable :P )

Now let us go back to the beginning, you know, the beginning that happened only a moment ago. How did this all begin? The teaching that I am going to give you today may be filled with that which is termed verbiage contradiction. However, there is a level of understanding that transcends words, so words become that which is termed a cripple's tool in order to explain that desire that cannot be expressed.

[...]

Now take out a piece of paper, clear, clean paper. Let it look like this, with no thing upon its surface. [...] I want you to repeat this word, the Void. Again. [...] The Void is vast, and yet in its vastness there is nothing. So it is one vast no-thing. No-thing means elemental, even thought. There is nothing, no-thing. So it is a vast nothingness, empty. And yet in the face of and in the space of nothingness exist and coexist potentials. [...] Turn to your neighbor and define the Void. One vast nothing materially, all things potentially, that is the Void.

[...]

Now how old is one vast nothing? It is timeless because time is a potential that will spring from it. How many of you understand? So the Void has always been.

[...]

Now the Void in its alwaysness is called the Mother/Father Principle or it is called the Source, the Source in which all life springs from. But how does life spring from a no-concept? How does the Void give life to that which it is not?

[...]

So this is what happened. One morning at 10:30, Tuesday, I believe, the Void did a spectacular thing - a thing. [...] The thing was it contemplated itself, contemplated itself. [...] Now I want you to take your blank piece of paper and I want you to turn it and fold it in on itself. And where it meets I want you to take that which is termed a writing instrument and put a little black mark up there. [...] The Void contemplating itself created an echo of itself. In other words, it created an alteredness of itself and we recognize that in this dot. This is the first time a potential is born out of the Void that always was.

[...]

But this spot here now becomes a reference point. This then is called God. So I want you to write beside this "God I am" straightaway. This contemplation point is consciousness and energy beginning.

[...]

Now the Void talks to this little entity and it says, "Good afternoon. I have longed for your presence in my midst. I am delighted with your countenance. I want you to make of me whatever you want to do. I am no longer alone. You are now with me. Go and make of me whatever you please."

[...]

So here is what you start thinking. You think, "All right, I will run over here, over here. This looks fun." So the moment you appear over here you are back here, because "here" is "there" in the Void. How many of you understand? There is no time, so over here doesn't exist. This entity was all over the Void but never went anywhere. And we can only anticipate from this point of reflection how many eons that entity must have stayed there trying to be all that its parent had said for it to be, because "all" was certainly up for a new understanding. Everywhere this consciousness threw itself, it already was, so it never went anywhere.

[...]

And so one day, Friday, as it was sitting there, it contemplated itself. Show me what it did. Come on, contemplated itself. Beautiful. Every time you contemplate yourself, you evolve. [...] Well, now consciousness and energy has company, has someone else here. So the Void that gave birth to it, it in turn gave birth to this [mirror consciousness]. [...] Now don't go to sleep. Hold your hands up. This space here is very unique in the Void because for the first time we have two points of consciousness - one, two - and yet between those two points we also have a new reality, and the reality is called time. And why is time existent only here? Because we have a distance between two points of reality. [...] Well, now we have the second great creation: We have time, distance, and space that is offset by another consciousness.

[clover leaf]

I think religion is ridiculous. Oh look a giant dude flying across the sky.

[helios]

See, now this guy just pisses me the hell off. He comes once a month or so and he digs up threads that haven't been replied to for days or even weeks to post such insightful comments. I wish I could say I think he's a troll, but as suspicious as his handle is, I don't think he is, and that makes it even worse.
Someone ought to come up with a monitor with a built-in fist, so that every time you said something stupid, people could just press a button and punch you in the mouth over the Internet. An Instant Punching system would make the Internet a much more pleasant place, let me tell ya.

[m4ster r0shi]

Don't worry about it too much. If he doesn't think every day that he wants this to be the last time he is here, he will die again anyway.

[chrisname]

I wish such a system existed.

as suspicious as his handle is

Oh yeah. I didn't notice that. Maybe he is just a troll...

[m4ster r0shi]

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|The genetic modification of humanity by the gods.|
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EDIT: Forgot the song haha -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYhtqPVlk4

Genetic Evolution Mechanics

What do you think, masters, creates the imprint on your chromosomes? What is your DNA? How does it know how to make you? Who is responsible for putting it together? [...] Every thought you have ever thought, every fear you have ever had, every desire that you have ever had, every betrayal, every feeling, every joy, every moment you are experiencing it, it is emotion that imprints the DNA and it is emotion that changes the DNA coil. How does it change it? It imprints it.

Why did the gods decide to intervene

People who are weak-spirited never override this genetic destiny. In other words, like I said at the beginning this morning, their Spirit energy is being consumed by the genetics of the body. The genetics of the body is living off the spiritual energy, and the entity who is supposed to be here to learn has learned nothing. Now imagine ten and a half million years. How long do you live, sixty years, seventy years, one hundred years? How many lifetimes, an average of eighty years, can be lived in ten and a half million years? A lot. How many of you say a lot? A lot, eh? [...] How many of you think you have lived two lives? There is no one in here that has lived two lives. You have lived THOUSANDS of them.

The intervention of the gods

Four hundred and fifty-five thousand years ago, approximately here on this timeline, something wonderful happened right here. At this particular point this group of entities called the Gods came back. And they came down here and they realized you need a little help, and that with as far as you had advanced, you hadn't advanced very far. So what did they do? They mercifully interacted in your timeline of evolution.

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These entities came along, took you and commingled their seed with yours, so they bred into your body their experiences. Now why did they do this? Because they are your brothers and sisters. They live on various different planets and most of them live on the interior of those planets, since all orbiting orbs are hollow. They surpassed you now. They are Gods from the same Source, who are ahead of you in evolution.They also used you as servants, which would make a great amount of logic. Since your capacity for evolutionary knowledge had not been gained, since you were only at this timeline here, you didn't know all that they knew. So what were your tasks? Your tasks were to commingle, cohabitate, and to live with them. They in turn taught you psychology. They taught you art. They taught you mathematics, astronomy. It was they who imbued within you a sense of culture and, moreover, a sense of that which is termed dynamic self. But how great were you? You had a large neocortex, large but barely used, because the experience that it took to give you that genetic body, as a Spirit you had not lived. So it would be as if your children were walking around in their parents' clothing. The clothing fits but it is still a child who is exhibiting itself in the body. How many of you understand? Now when that happened, it happened 455,000 years ago. Would you write that down.

Yet, no significant progress after that...

According to that calendar, it is past the year 2000. So where are you two thousand years from this point? You haven't changed because you are in a holding pattern, so you have been reincarnating over and over and over again, coming back with the same amount of spiritual growth as you left behind the last lifetime.

[...]

You don't use all of your brain. You use less than a tenth of it. Less than a tenth of the massive neocortex means that there is a great deal of potential that you have never actualized. [...] You have yet to develop your spiritual self that it can operate this body as a fine-tuned instrument of God.

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At this time the reason that you are unhappy with your life is because you are at the end of your ability to dream reality. You let everything do it for you. If you are Gods - and you most certainly are - and if consciousness and energy creates the nature of reality, perhaps the problem that we have here is the inability to believe in oneself, of its capability. And perhaps you have inherited that gene through your parents. Most parents never believed they were greater than the stock in which they came from.

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Only a few are breaking away and going out here. And as they move past this God problem, they get out here and they start becoming spiritual, and they are reaching deep within the Source and manifesting it down here. Who is a Christ? One who finishes the timeline and goes home. Turn to your neighbor and explain.

[Disch]

*tries really hard to refrain from commenting*

[m4ster r0shi]

Good, this means we actually have some progress here :D

[helios]

How does it change it? It imprints it.

Oh, well, that explains everything.

People who are weak-spirited never override this genetic destiny.

Ah, I see someone has been reading Genetics as Understood by Hideo Kojima.

their Spirit energy is being consumed by the genetics of the body.

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
I'll need definitions of the terms "Spirit energy", "consume", and "genetics of the body".

How many of you think you have lived two lives? There is no one in here that has lived two lives. You have lived THOUSANDS of them.

(At the bottom of the page.)
_{Disclaimer: provided broad enough definitions of "life" and "you" are used.}

At this particular point this group of entities called the Gods came back.

Where did they go, why, for how long, and why did they return?

These entities came along, took you and commingled their seed with yours

Gross.

They are Gods from the same Source, who are ahead of you in evolution.

Yeah, the aliens that fucked monkeys from a different planet are ahead of humans in evolution. Whatever that means.
Well, hold on. If they're our ancestors, how can they be more more evolved?

They in turn taught you psychology. They taught you art. They taught you mathematics, astronomy.

Great. Way to cheapen the accomplishments of thousands of years of human culture. "What, you thought your ancestors were smart? Don't be ridiculous! It was Promethean aliens!"
Not to mention that three of those four are only a few thousand years old, not half a million years.

According to that calendar, it is past the year 2000. So where are you two thousand years from this point?

What calendar and what point? There's a lot of missing information, here.
And unless the text is using a very lax definition of "you", it's not fair to ask the reader what they've accomplished in the past two thousand years. What has the writer accomplished in the past ten years? More than writing this, I hope.

You don't use all of your brain. You use less than a tenth of it. Less than a tenth of the massive neocortex means that there is a great deal of potential that you have never actualized.

"Yeah, thank god the bullet hit me in the part of the brain I don't use, or I'd have been a goner."
Common misconception. It's not that we only use part of our brain, it's that most of the time only part of the neurons happen to be firing, but exactly which ones changes constantly. Do you what it's called when all the neurons fire at the same time? A seizure. Apart from possible head trauma, I don't think epileptics are subject to any higher insights during their episodes.
And why would a species evolve a giant brain that's mostly unnecessary? With our current brains, we need to be born prematurely to pass through the birth canal and it has its own energy budget (IIRC, that one 1.5 kg organ is 1/6 of the body's energy output. A 70 kg man's brain would use 7 times more energy than the same amount of flesh from a random part of his body). How would it be a selective advantage to have a brain ten times larger than necessary? Redundancy? I suppose, but that contradicts experience. The organ is very sensitive to the smallest disturbances. Any kind of brain damage is either lethal or crippling.

If a mythology can't stand on its own without trying to take advantage of scientific facts it barely has a grasp of, it doesn't deserve to exist.
And, Jesus Christ, aliens having sex with monkeys and giving birth to humanity (which here turns out to be a race of mutated interplanetary hybrid freaks), and then enslaving them, their offspring? And I thought the Greek gods were dicks. They got nothing on these guys.

EDIT:
I'm sorry, but I just can't get over this. These aliens travelled light years from a different planet to Earth with the sole apparent purpose of getting themselves some monkey ass. Are these the most motivated perverts in the history of the universe or what?
How many of them came? Were there only male aliens or also females? Were they organized or did they all just happen to come at about the same time? Did they rape the monkeys? Did they seduce them, and if so, how?
It just raises so many questions.

[Disch]

You know, this doesn't seem any more strange to me then say... Christianity.

Of course that's not saying a lot.

[m4ster r0shi]

@helios:

These entities came along, took you and commingled their seed with yours

I can imagine, since these entities were technologically advanced, they did it in an artificial way, and the writer is using a metaphor here. So, I won't bother to comment on anything you wrote about aliens getting laid with monkeys.

You don't use all of your brain. You use less than a tenth of it. Less than a tenth of the massive neocortex means that there is a great deal of potential that you have never actualized.

As you said,

It's not that we only use part of our brain, it's that most of the time only part of the neurons happen to be firing, but exactly which ones changes constantly.

Here is something taken from a previous post in this thread. My guess is that when he talks about "water density" he actually means how many salts the water contains, since ions are the carrier of the electrical current in water.

The brain has been a great mystery that has perplexed many. They take it out to look at it and they can’t find anything in it, save its fluids, which are water. Water is a conductor of electrical current. The denser the water, the greater the amplification of the electrical current put through it. In the dormant portions of your brain, the fluid is denser for the purpose of amplifying the higher thought frequencies into greater electrical currents and sending them throughout the body at a greater rate of speed. So when you allow more of your thoughts to be housed in the dormant parts, your body is activated to become quicker and more profound in its responses. You can do anything with your body once the totality of your brain is in use.

Do you what it's called when all the neurons fire at the same time? A seizure.

I quote wiki:

An epileptic seizure, occasionally referred to as a fit, is defined as a transient symptom of "abnormal excessive or synchronous neuronal activity in the brain".

You don't have a seizure every time your neurons fire rapidly. It's the opposite, every time you have a seizure your neurons fire rapidly. So, this means that there are situations where your neurons are firing rapidly and you don't have a seizure. Now, I don't want to have to make such trivial corrections again, so please be more careful in your future posts.

My overall opinion of your post is that it is just a long post.

Truth is, there is only one way to get out of here alive (I mean, come on, how many bodies are you going to waste until you realize that?...), but, well, you just don't seem to be willing to make the step yet, so it doesn't matter. You will, when you are ready.

What is this religious figure called God, that infinite mystery that man has desperately searched to find for eons? It is thought and its ability to receive itself and, by receiving itself, to become and expand itself. That is all God is: the totality of thought, the eminence of life. And right within your own being you have the power to become God completely — completely — for if the full spectrum of your brain were in use, you would be this moment to the ends of forever; you would know all that is known; you would be the hue of the sun, the depths of the sea, the power of the wind, and the star upon the horizon.

I tell you, you have the ability to know everything there is to know. And you also possess the ability to manifest everything you ever want. You also possess the ability to live forever in your body, if that is your desire. But to all these things, the altered ego says, “Nay.” So for that you will know who man is, but God will always remain a mystery.

[iw0XoG1T]

You know, this doesn't seem any more strange to me then say... Christianity.

It amusing how people need to justify their belief system. Why do you think anyone cares if you reject Christianity?

You do realize there are forums where people actually care to discuss whether Disch's belief system is better than someone else's . Go ahead post your beliefs and I will show you how easy they are to mock.

[Disch]

I don't understand how you can buy into this stuff.

He's just spouting off obscure theories without a lick of evidence/proof and making extraordinary claims without any basis.

It's delusional. It's lunacy.

Any crackpot can write a book filled with nonsensical theories about the origins/meaning of life (and many have). Why should you, or anyone else, accept any of them as truth?

Like this:

I tell you, you have the ability to know everything there is to know

Then how come there's so much I don't know? Surely after all the eons of passing down information from generation to generation we would have learned everything by now, right?

You also possess the ability to live forever in your body, if that is your desire.

Many people have desired this. How come none of them were able to do it?

So for that you will know who man is, but God will always remain a mystery.

I thought he just said we have the ability to know everything there is to know. Now he's saying there's something we can never know. Which is it?

He's talking out of his ass. How can you not see it?

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chwsks wrote:

It amusing how people need to justify their belief system. Why do you think anyone cares if you reject Christianity?

Fine. I was out of line, you're right. This thread isn't about Christianity and I shouldn't have brought it up.

I withdraw my comment.

[Kyon]

Religion, the never ending discussion of whoever has the best imaginary friend.

Turn to your neighbor and define the Void. One vast nothing materially, all things potentially, that is the Void.

Sounds like a void pointer to me. (Hey, this is a C++ forum. :P)

[chrisname]

helios wrote:

How many of them came?

All of them, ba dum tss.

Kyon wrote:

Religion, the never ending discussion of whoever has the best imaginary friend.

I lol'd.

[helios]

I can imagine, since these entities were technologically advanced, they did it in an artificial way, and the writer is using a metaphor here.

I know, but the text wasn't shy about using pseudo-scientific terms when it wanted, so I prefer to go with my interpretation.

You don't have a seizure every time your neurons fire rapidly. It's the opposite, every time you have a seizure your neurons fire rapidly.

What? Did you actually read the quote you yourself posted? It says a seizure is a symptom of excessive neuronal fire. To invert the causal relationship is like saying one has a cold because they have fever.
I don't want to have to make such trivial corrections again, so please be more careful in your future posts.

My overall opinion of your post is that it is just a long post.

My overall opinion of your quotes is that the source likes semantically empty sentences as a means to appear enlightened without actually being so, not to mention its use of scientific facts (many of which wrong or simply nonexistent) to seem grounded in reality.

Truth is, there is only one way to get out of here alive (I mean, come on, how many bodies are you going to waste until you realize that?...), but, well, you just don't seem to be willing to make the step yet, so it doesn't matter. You will, when you are ready.

Some Christians like to use this threat (except using eternal damnation, not reincarnation cycle, as the punishment) when they don't want to answer questions that require a too detailed analysis to answer or the realization that some of their beliefs don't make sense. It's barely less childish than covering your ears and going "lalalalala I can't hear you!"
Why would you post any of this if you're not willing to answer any of the many legitimate questions it brings up, like how the author knows that DNA records events, or what exactly is "Spirit energy".

[m4ster r0shi]

@chwsks:

Truth is, neither do I favor Christianity the way it has ended up being taught. Here's the truth about Yeshua ben Joseph:

Here was an entity who put aside the woman that he loved, his children, the throne, and had a message. ‘Everyone can be the sons and daughters of their parents, but very few ever finally decide to say I am the royal blood of my Holy Spirit and this is the life that I must live.’

[...]

Well, he was a great man who was the legal heir to the throne of Judea. He was a being that was gifted with royal blood. He was an entity that had everything going for him and he could certainly seduce with that kind of power. But people who misuse that sort of power always end up in the most wretched lives. It works in the moment but it will catch up with them. So, he came from a royal house, and it was his job to transmute being the son of man into the son of God. He was a man who realized God and put it all on the line; put it all on the line. “Look,you may crucify my body, but that doesn’t change my truth because what you destroy today, I will re-create within moments.” That puts it on the line, doesn’t it? It was his job to do that, but he had a passion for it.

[...]

What he said is that he knew something. He knew it and he lived it.

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Many people can know things philosophically, theoretically, but they don’t live them. They somehow separate themselves from their knowingness. They live in sort of a psychosis, an area of their mind to which they know but never live the knowingness, because living is somehow separate from this knowingness. And you will hear people say, and I have heard you say, “Inside of me I know better. I know what the truth is but I don’t live it.” Why? Is there some element to you that says that truth already is truth if it is realized and does not beg us to live by our own realization? What an interesting concept, masters. Why do you know so much and live it so little?

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So how much greater could Christ have been than you? He was an entity that put it all on the line, everything, because when someone says to you, “I will give you your life if you recant,” you think about it. All I have to do is say I am sorry. All I have to do is plead as if I am ignorant. And if I do that, then my life will be salvaged. But a great mind, such as a Christ, knows that once we prostitute truth for the subtleties of life, we are already dead.

[...]

Now, people — people — who suffers in life? I will tell you who suffers in life. Our Spirit suffers to the preference of our bodies. Now let me explain that further. What is the Spirit? The Spirit is the invisible voice. It is the invisible knowingness. It is our greatness undeveloped. A master does the opposite to what you do. You work to develop your social life. You work to develop your bodies. You work to develop your relationship, your beauty, your rapport. Why, you even work and labor to develop your victimization. You do. You know it is the truth.

[...]

A master does the opposite. A master’s journey is not about developing the psychosis of the physical life. The master’s journey is to develop the spiritual life. What is the spiritual life? The spiritual life is to live a life flawlessly, based upon that which is termed the highest concepts of what we are. And what we are transcends genders, all genders. And literally we are talking about a life that is really dedicated to taking this knowingness and then making that life. That is what a master is. To a master there are no two different aspects to self, the spiritual and then the physical image. A master takes and develops the spiritual in front of the body.

[...]

The difference between you and Yeshua ben Joseph is that Yeshua ben Joseph knew that he was born to be God, and so his life was dedicated to being the son of God even though he was born of a man. And when he was weak, he acknowledged, “It is my humanity; it is not the Father within me. The Father within me is the all-wise, knowing intelligence.”