Toyota stocks in the american market
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They don't make American cars like they used to unfortunately... I've had my 2010 Camaro for 5 months now and I've had my string of problems... but I don't regret buying it. I've had my share of foreign cars as well and I have no problem with the United States reducing the number of foreign cars that are brought in for whatever reason... Do you see Japan or Germany importing American cars?? Hell no. Japanese cars are typically very reliable... besides who needs breaks and reliable acceleration anyway! That's why they come with air bags right? :) I guess Toyota forgot its Six Sigma Processes lol.
| Why not when in the same inquisition we request for transparency into their technology to make it so other manufacturers, or our manufacturers better at producing cars. |
I'm sure that would violate a number of American and International laws and would be totally unacceptable. There is no legal justification for forcing one manufacturer to share its knowledge with another.
"I still think that its a creative way to make the toyota stock drop in our country and make it so we will only trust cars made in the USA. "
Why would we want to do such a thing? This is America not communist Soviet Union. By the way many Toyota cars ARE made in the USA. Perhaps that is the problem. maybe they should shut down their American plants and take the jobs back to the far east. How would that suit you?
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I know I am going to regret saying this but, why do individuals who have no grasp of the United States monetary system insist on talking about the national debt?
Personal Debt and National Debt are not even remotely comparable... The United States does not have a FICO to restrict borrowing.
You have to realize that without the ability to borrow, the vast majority of ventures could not be accomplished. This is just, unfortunately, the way our economy operates.
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| as long as your in debt your never moving forward, but just making payments toward something that is growing. |
You have to realize that without the ability to borrow, the vast majority of ventures could not be accomplished. This is just, unfortunately, the way our economy operates.
Why is france number #1 in health care and we are #1 in cost, but #37 in care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4
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Because the French have a national health service and probably spend their money better. Isn't Obama trying to get a national health service in the USA? If he is, I applaud him. He seems to be trying to do great things.
Why do so many people in your country (and mine, for that matter) hate Communists? Real Communism, if it could work, would be fantastic. It's people like Stalin who ruin it. Communists aren't inherently evil and I'm tired of people thinking they are. I count myself as a Communist (but a realistic one; i.e. I'm pretty sure it won't work with the human race (yet), so I'm consent to be in a Capitalist society for now).
Why do I think Communism would be so good (if it could be done properly)?
Consider a cleaner of toilets. He works 6 hour shifts for a total of 14 hours per day, 5 or more days per week. He does a disgusting, repulsive job and gets paid a pittance for it.
Now consider a football player (assume English football, i.e. football played with the feet). They probably do a few hours of "training" every week, culminating in a big televised football match at some later date, and then they're free for the rest of their lives. They get paid about £30K per week in some cases. That's more than a teacher gets in my country (for emphasis, a teacher being an educator of children, and therefore someone to whom society owes a great deal) per annum.
The footballer earns about £1.5 million a year. The cleaner probably gets about £10K a year if he's lucky. Neither of them require any education, but both require a skill; be it a skill in a sport (i.e. being able to play a game extremely well) or a skill in terms of dexterity and dedication; because it must take dedication (or necessity) to clean human excrement from a befouled toilet.
The brain surgeon saves lives, for which they probably get about £300K a year. The teacher educates children (making that brain surgeon a possibility) and get's a tenth of their pay. Without the teacher, the brain surgeon would arguably have nothing, and rely on the state for survival (which is probably quite degrading). Both have to study very hard: both go through University (although a brain surgeon spends at least 4 years in Medical School), both need good grades. "One saves lives," you might say. But without the educator, that wouldn't have been possible.
Another argument against why the brain surgeon gets so much more money than the cleaner is that the cleaner probably didn't work that hard in school. Well, maybe, maybe not. They might have gone through school with great grades; maybe they got all As in their GCSEs (those're exams taken at age 16) but it wasn't economically viable for them to pay college and University tuition fees. Think how frustrating that would be... you study so hard and get great results and end up working as a cleaner because you were born to a poor family. Now think about the brain surgeon. They obviously have a good mind... but that doesn't mean they worked that hard in school. One of the richest men in England owns a company called Virgin ("Micro" and "Soft;" "Virgin," makes you wonder where they get these names from...) who, immature jokes aside, came from an already rich family (like George Bush). Apparently he had several failed businesses, all of which his father propped up for him, so he didn't have to bother about it. Now think about his workers. Every time his businesses failed, he probably thought "Oh no! I'll have to ask dad for some more money!" while his employees were thinking "How can I tell the kids we can't afford Christmas presents this year?" (it really hit me how hard that would be when I thought of that).
Can someone explain to me why a cleaner should be paid, in a year, a thirtieth of what a football player gets in a week? Being a cleaner is much more necessary than being a footballer. Someone has to clean things. If we didn't have someone to clean toilets, we'd probably have another Cholera epidemic again... if we didn't have someone to run around kicking a football, we'd probably just have more cows (note: I'm not a vegetarian, and I don't think it's very smart to say animals shouldn't be killed for food. Other animals do it; why shouldn't we? Just because we do it on a larger scale, doesn't make it wrong).
Note: forgive my half-formed political ideals. To an older mind, they probably sound childish. But I think I raised some valid points nonetheless.
Note 2: I also don't want this to turn into a politcal debate which will turn into a flamewar. I've learned to stay away from those.
| This is America not communist Soviet Union |
Why do so many people in your country (and mine, for that matter) hate Communists? Real Communism, if it could work, would be fantastic. It's people like Stalin who ruin it. Communists aren't inherently evil and I'm tired of people thinking they are. I count myself as a Communist (but a realistic one; i.e. I'm pretty sure it won't work with the human race (yet), so I'm consent to be in a Capitalist society for now).
Why do I think Communism would be so good (if it could be done properly)?
Consider a cleaner of toilets. He works 6 hour shifts for a total of 14 hours per day, 5 or more days per week. He does a disgusting, repulsive job and gets paid a pittance for it.
Now consider a football player (assume English football, i.e. football played with the feet). They probably do a few hours of "training" every week, culminating in a big televised football match at some later date, and then they're free for the rest of their lives. They get paid about £30K per week in some cases. That's more than a teacher gets in my country (for emphasis, a teacher being an educator of children, and therefore someone to whom society owes a great deal) per annum.
The footballer earns about £1.5 million a year. The cleaner probably gets about £10K a year if he's lucky. Neither of them require any education, but both require a skill; be it a skill in a sport (i.e. being able to play a game extremely well) or a skill in terms of dexterity and dedication; because it must take dedication (or necessity) to clean human excrement from a befouled toilet.
The brain surgeon saves lives, for which they probably get about £300K a year. The teacher educates children (making that brain surgeon a possibility) and get's a tenth of their pay. Without the teacher, the brain surgeon would arguably have nothing, and rely on the state for survival (which is probably quite degrading). Both have to study very hard: both go through University (although a brain surgeon spends at least 4 years in Medical School), both need good grades. "One saves lives," you might say. But without the educator, that wouldn't have been possible.
Another argument against why the brain surgeon gets so much more money than the cleaner is that the cleaner probably didn't work that hard in school. Well, maybe, maybe not. They might have gone through school with great grades; maybe they got all As in their GCSEs (those're exams taken at age 16) but it wasn't economically viable for them to pay college and University tuition fees. Think how frustrating that would be... you study so hard and get great results and end up working as a cleaner because you were born to a poor family. Now think about the brain surgeon. They obviously have a good mind... but that doesn't mean they worked that hard in school. One of the richest men in England owns a company called Virgin ("Micro" and "Soft;" "Virgin," makes you wonder where they get these names from...) who, immature jokes aside, came from an already rich family (like George Bush). Apparently he had several failed businesses, all of which his father propped up for him, so he didn't have to bother about it. Now think about his workers. Every time his businesses failed, he probably thought "Oh no! I'll have to ask dad for some more money!" while his employees were thinking "How can I tell the kids we can't afford Christmas presents this year?" (it really hit me how hard that would be when I thought of that).
Can someone explain to me why a cleaner should be paid, in a year, a thirtieth of what a football player gets in a week? Being a cleaner is much more necessary than being a footballer. Someone has to clean things. If we didn't have someone to clean toilets, we'd probably have another Cholera epidemic again... if we didn't have someone to run around kicking a football, we'd probably just have more cows (note: I'm not a vegetarian, and I don't think it's very smart to say animals shouldn't be killed for food. Other animals do it; why shouldn't we? Just because we do it on a larger scale, doesn't make it wrong).
Note: forgive my half-formed political ideals. To an older mind, they probably sound childish. But I think I raised some valid points nonetheless.
Note 2: I also don't want this to turn into a politcal debate which will turn into a flamewar. I've learned to stay away from those.
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@chrisname see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_value
Please forgive me--but this is the answer for why professional athletes are paid so well for something that is not needed, and those whose services are needed are sometimes paid so poorly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_value
Please forgive me--but this is the answer for why professional athletes are paid so well for something that is not needed, and those whose services are needed are sometimes paid so poorly.
Why would I need to forgive you? I should thank you for the information... Uh, thank you for the information :-)
But my point was that under Communism that wouldn't happen... but I'm not convinced Communism would be all good. Obviously there's always the MASSIVE risk that you'll end up with someone like Stalin or Kim Il Sung in charge.
But my point was that under Communism that wouldn't happen... but I'm not convinced Communism would be all good. Obviously there's always the MASSIVE risk that you'll end up with someone like Stalin or Kim Il Sung in charge.
@chrisname... when you get a job and work hard for your luxuries, you will not be happy when some one decides to take half of what you have and give it to the guy living on welfare selling crack.
Because it takes zero skill set to be a cleaner and EVERYONE can do it. Not everyone can be a brain surgeon or a foot ball player or a computer programmer. There will always be classes in this world, poor, middle class, and upper class and it will always stay this way. All men are not equal and should not be treated so. It's funny how you never hear someone that has their life in order, has worked hard for their quality of life say communism is good thing and I want to give up some of what I've worked hard for and hand it to someone that hasn't worked. It's usually from the lips of the poor or those that have yet to enter the workforce.
The French spend their money? As I recall the United States on several occassions saved the the UK and France from utter anihilation. It was the US tax payer dollars that rebuilt France DEBT FREE I MIGHT ADD, and for some reason we owe these governments money! We have this screwed up defecit because we're too busy saving peoples asses and not our own! Again, I work hard for my quality of life and pay a lot for health insurance so my family can see the best doctors and get the best help. Why in the world would I want the government to strip that from me and say, you have to see the same doctors as Joe the Fry Technician at a fast food joint? Note that this health care bill aids a MINORITY, around 20% or less. That 20% falls into a few categories: Low income as in below 30k dollars, gutter trash citizens that live off the government, and the ocassional citizen that works for a small business that cannot afford to offer insurance but none the less works hard for their future.
| Can someone explain to me why a cleaner should be paid, in a year, a thirtieth of what a football player gets in a week? |
Because it takes zero skill set to be a cleaner and EVERYONE can do it. Not everyone can be a brain surgeon or a foot ball player or a computer programmer. There will always be classes in this world, poor, middle class, and upper class and it will always stay this way. All men are not equal and should not be treated so. It's funny how you never hear someone that has their life in order, has worked hard for their quality of life say communism is good thing and I want to give up some of what I've worked hard for and hand it to someone that hasn't worked. It's usually from the lips of the poor or those that have yet to enter the workforce.
| Because the French have a national health service and probably spend their money better. Isn't Obama trying to get a national health service in the USA? If he is, I applaud him. He seems to be trying to do great things. |
The French spend their money? As I recall the United States on several occassions saved the the UK and France from utter anihilation. It was the US tax payer dollars that rebuilt France DEBT FREE I MIGHT ADD, and for some reason we owe these governments money! We have this screwed up defecit because we're too busy saving peoples asses and not our own! Again, I work hard for my quality of life and pay a lot for health insurance so my family can see the best doctors and get the best help. Why in the world would I want the government to strip that from me and say, you have to see the same doctors as Joe the Fry Technician at a fast food joint? Note that this health care bill aids a MINORITY, around 20% or less. That 20% falls into a few categories: Low income as in below 30k dollars, gutter trash citizens that live off the government, and the ocassional citizen that works for a small business that cannot afford to offer insurance but none the less works hard for their future.
| when you get a job and work hard for your luxuries, you will not be happy when some one decides to take half of what you have and give it to the guy living on welfare selling crack. |
It's down to the government to make that not happen. Like I said, because of human nature, it won't work right now. I understand that. That's why it's an idealogy for me. Don't go thinking I'm some kind of left-wing nutcase who dances with the trees and listens to the wind, while smoking weed (damaging the environment) and preaches to the masses about why eating meat is wrong and "fur is murder." I'm not. I just think Communism would be great... if it could work. But I don't see why America has to invade countries constantly to stop Communists from trying. Korea and Vietnam are great examples of your failures at this, and those are relatively tiny countries.
| communism is good thing and I want to give up some of what I've worked hard for and hand it to someone that hasn't worked hard |
I suppose so. I didn't think of that... I tend to run things off my brain without really thinking about the counter arguments like this... I guess I'll have to develop that ability later in life.
| Because it takes zero skill set to be a cleaner and EVERYONE can do it. |
Really? You think you could get up at 5am, clean human waste off of porcelain for eight hours, have a break, and then do it again for another eight hours? Every single day?
| The French spend their money? As I recall the United States on several occassions saved the the UK and France from utter anihilation. |
I hate having this argument. I recall the French saving the USA from the UK on at least one occasion (does "War of Independence" ring a bell?). I also recall DrChill saying, in defense, that the French "joined the war late." When was it you guys joined WWI? 1917. It started in 1914. What about WWII? You joined that in 1941/42. Again, you were late. As I say, I hate having this argument, but I fail to see the USA as being the big hero of WWI and WWII. You joined late in both cases, and both times it was to protect your own interests. The only reason the USA fought in WWI was because the Lusitania was sunk by a German U-Boat, and the only reason the USA joined WWII was because of the Pearl Harbour attack. So don't give me such bullshit as "we saved your ass in two world wars." No-one cares. And besides that, the USSR bore the brunt of both of those wars, and in both cases came off worst. In WWII the Soviet Union came away with 27 million casualties... and then went on to take Berlin. They fought against an unexpected attack with the Wehrmacht's best troops and weapons (no other army had seen the Panzer V or VI yet AFAIK) and won. Yes, they outnumbered the Wehrmacht massively, but they were using weapons from the Crimean war in some cases!
Now, you'll say you guys got the hardest beaches on "D-Day" and it is true. But you still didn't have to deal with the same kind of things we did. Your civilians weren't even touched throughout the war, except emotionally. The UK had to deal with it's largest cities being bombed to hell. France was overrun by the armoured SS divisions and torn to pieces.
I'll say this: while I don't regard the USA as having been the big heros of the world wars, I still think you played an important role and we may even have lost without you. I just dislike the apparent American obsession with the two wars, constantly reminding the rest of the world how you saved our asses.
Well here's a wild revalation: no-one gives a shit. I'm not aiming this at you, or at all Americans; just the populous of retarded ones on the Internet that don't seem to understand that I don't want to know about how their supply of tanks made my life possible. If you hadn't, maybe we'd have won, maybe we wouldn't. That's not the point. The point is that I'm not interested. The most recent world war ended 65 years ago. I just don't care any more. I find the war interesting from a historical point of view, but I simply don't care about who saved who. Hey, we saved over 100,000 French soldiers at Dunkirk. Do I constantly go on about it? No. In fact, the only time I've ever mentioned it on the Internet ever was just now. And at any rate, both wars are the fault of a single Serb named Gavrilo Princip and his stupid friends.
I really didn't want this to turn into a flamewar, but I'm touchy on this subject.
| It was the US tax payer dollars that rebuilt France DEBT FREE I MIGHT ADD |
That may be the case with France, but the UK is still paying it's debt to the USA.
| we owe these governments money |
I wouldn't know about that, sorry.
| Again, I work hard for my quality of life and pay a lot for health insurance so my family can see the best doctors and get the best help. |
I'm sure you do. My parents work hard for theirs and mine. They're still more than happy to pay the National Insurance fee to use the NHS whenever they want.
| It's usually from the lips of the poor or those that have yet to enter the workforce. |
I discussed this with my English teacher today. She agrees Communism would be great... if it works. Both of us are realistic enough to realise it doesn't. Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."
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I don't want this to turn into a politcal debate, and if it does, this will be my last post on this particular thread. But as I said, I'm touchy on the subject of the world wars and I tend to rant when that subject comes up. I don't think I replied that nicely to all your points, but I'm not going lie and act like I did. Don't take what I said personally.
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My problem is that I'm overly opinionated for my age, and I form opinions based on my opinions. They get less and less factual the more complicated they get... :P
I also have poor temper control. An accurate anology of my temper is lighting a firework in the rain. It takes a couple of tries, but once you get the fuse lit, it won't stop burning until it explodes. I try not to restrict myself, either, because when it comes down to it I'm not that bothered about how people on the Internet see me. I want to be friendly, but sometimes, I can't help myself :)
I also have poor temper control. An accurate anology of my temper is lighting a firework in the rain. It takes a couple of tries, but once you get the fuse lit, it won't stop burning until it explodes. I try not to restrict myself, either, because when it comes down to it I'm not that bothered about how people on the Internet see me. I want to be friendly, but sometimes, I can't help myself :)
chrisname... I have no intention on arguing with you, but it is clear that you have no clue what you're talking about. Think before you post.
I have no intention of arguing with you, either. I guess I don't have a clue about how economies work.
Having said that, I stand by what I said about the world wars.
Having said that, I stand by what I said about the world wars.
So it is of your opinion that if the United States had not entered the war that there was some remote chance of allied victory? That absolutely amazes me! What the hell are they teaching in European schools!?
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