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The clever man tells, the wise man knows quietly
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Sep 22, 2009 at 10:32amclosed account (z05DSL3A)
From Turning It Around: Causes and Cures for Today's Epidemic Social Problems, striving to show the difference by Bill Allin
You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions.
- Naguib Mahfouz, writer (1911- )
A clever man will always tell you answers. He will tell you things you may not even care about. His purpose is to impress. To be more accurate, his purpose is, like that of Narcissus, to see himself reflected in the reaction on your face.
It may be arrogance, hubris or insecurity that causes him to seek a reaction from you. You are the fulfillment of the need of a clever man. You are the audience that satisfies his need.
A wise man will not try to convince you of anything. A wise man is trying to build himself, not to build you. He asks questions because he wants to learn more. He needs to learn more because he is aware of how little he knows about so many things. He is aware less of what he knows than of what he does not yet know.
A wise man will not proselytize you. If you are willing and eager, he may guide you to find your own answers. He will not push you because he is on his own quest.
Then we have those who are neither clever, wanting to convey to us how much they know, nor wise. They do not ask questions. They wish to give the impression that they know as much as they need to know.
They have learned from the ethics of business that they should "never let them see you sweat." Never give the impression that you don't know. When you don't know, fake it. Pretend. Most times the others won't know that you don't know.
While that is the apparent ethic of business, it's not a real one. The person who doesn't ask questions and who doesn't know will never rise against the competition because deep down the others know the truth. The ones who know will reach where they want to go.
The ones who do not ask questions don't try to learn. They remain ignorant. Comfortably ignorant, as they persuade even themselves that they know as much as they need to know.
Yet they are always poor. Poor of spirit because they think of themselves first. Poor of intellect because they close doors of opportunity to learn. Poor of character because they deceive even themselves, thus have no hesitation about deceiving others.
A wise man will share what he knows. But you will have to ask. Otherwise he will be busy.
He has his own quest. He will assume that you have your own.
You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions.
- Naguib Mahfouz, writer (1911- )
A clever man will always tell you answers. He will tell you things you may not even care about. His purpose is to impress. To be more accurate, his purpose is, like that of Narcissus, to see himself reflected in the reaction on your face.
It may be arrogance, hubris or insecurity that causes him to seek a reaction from you. You are the fulfillment of the need of a clever man. You are the audience that satisfies his need.
A wise man will not try to convince you of anything. A wise man is trying to build himself, not to build you. He asks questions because he wants to learn more. He needs to learn more because he is aware of how little he knows about so many things. He is aware less of what he knows than of what he does not yet know.
A wise man will not proselytize you. If you are willing and eager, he may guide you to find your own answers. He will not push you because he is on his own quest.
Then we have those who are neither clever, wanting to convey to us how much they know, nor wise. They do not ask questions. They wish to give the impression that they know as much as they need to know.
They have learned from the ethics of business that they should "never let them see you sweat." Never give the impression that you don't know. When you don't know, fake it. Pretend. Most times the others won't know that you don't know.
While that is the apparent ethic of business, it's not a real one. The person who doesn't ask questions and who doesn't know will never rise against the competition because deep down the others know the truth. The ones who know will reach where they want to go.
The ones who do not ask questions don't try to learn. They remain ignorant. Comfortably ignorant, as they persuade even themselves that they know as much as they need to know.
Yet they are always poor. Poor of spirit because they think of themselves first. Poor of intellect because they close doors of opportunity to learn. Poor of character because they deceive even themselves, thus have no hesitation about deceiving others.
A wise man will share what he knows. But you will have to ask. Otherwise he will be busy.
He has his own quest. He will assume that you have your own.
Sep 22, 2009 at 3:25pm
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That's me...XP
| A clever man will always tell you answers. He will tell you things you may not even care about. His purpose is to impress. To be more accurate, his purpose is, like that of Narcissus, to see himself reflected in the reaction on your face. |
That's me...XP
Sep 22, 2009 at 3:43pm| [The above post has been deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator] |
What?
This is the lounge, it's meant to be informal. As such, I like to be informal on it. I post the same thing too often (usually something like "Interesting."), and I wanted to show my acknowledgement without looking too formal.
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Sep 22, 2009 at 3:47pm
Modesty is for those who have nothing to brag about!
So two hands up for the clever guy :)
Cheers!
So two hands up for the clever guy :)
Cheers!
Sep 23, 2009 at 12:25am
Modesty is for the wise ... besides who actually needs to reference to .... that *Grecians are so weird
Sep 23, 2009 at 12:52am| What? This is the lounge, it's meant to be informal. As such, I like to be informal on it. I post the same thing too often (usually something like "Interesting."), and I wanted to show my acknowledgement without looking too formal. |
Nod, that's fine. It's a reference to GameFAQs (idiots post it as responses to everything and anything).
Sep 23, 2009 at 4:24pm| Nod, that's fine. It's a reference to GameFAQs (idiots post it as responses to everything and anything). |
Oh sorry, I've never been on there.
Does anyone else pronounce that as "Game Facks"? I know its meant to be F-A-Qs but I like to pronounce things as words, e.g. "GUI" becomes "Gooey", "JPG" --> "Jay-Peg", "PNG" --> "Ping", "GIF" --> "Jif", "Vi" --> "Vy", etc.
Sep 23, 2009 at 9:19pm| Does anyone else pronounce that as "Game Facks"? I know its meant to be F-A-Qs but I like to pronounce things as words, e.g. "GUI" becomes "Gooey", "JPG" --> "Jay-Peg", "PNG" --> "Ping", "GIF" --> "Jif", "Vi" --> "Vy", etc. |
Yes, except for me, GIF --> "gif" and "vi" --> "V-I". But I pronounce "vim" as a word.
If someone were to pronounce GIF as "jif", I would be thinking about peanut butter.
Sep 23, 2009 at 11:01pm Sep 24, 2009 at 7:09am
char - Like "to char" or car?
giga- - Same debate as for GIF.
SQL - Sequel?
vi - Vee, vy, V-I, or six?
GNU - G-noo (as in, trying to say "go" but replacing o with "noo"), nyu, or G-N-U?
Linux - Leenoox or lie-noox?
C# - See sharp, see octothorpe, k-hash, ...?
A few months ago I found out I and everyone I know had been pronuncing "integer" wrong for five years.
giga- - Same debate as for GIF.
SQL - Sequel?
vi - Vee, vy, V-I, or six?
GNU - G-noo (as in, trying to say "go" but replacing o with "noo"), nyu, or G-N-U?
Linux - Leenoox or lie-noox?
C# - See sharp, see octothorpe, k-hash, ...?
A few months ago I found out I and everyone I know had been pronuncing "integer" wrong for five years.
Sep 24, 2009 at 12:11pm| char - Like "to char" or car? giga- - Same debate as for GIF. SQL - Sequel? vi - Vee, vy, V-I, or six? GNU - G-noo (as in, trying to say "go" but replacing o with "noo"), nyu, or G-N-U? Linux - Leenoox or lie-noox? C# - See sharp, see octothorpe, k-hash, ...? |
Char - ch-ar like the "ch" in "teacher"
SQL - S-Q-L (although I pronounce MySQL as My "School"
vi - Vy
GNU - Guh-Noo
Linux I can't really explain how I pronounce it. The "Li" I pronounce similar to how you pronounce the i in "it" or "this". The "nux" is harder to explain.
C# - See Sharp
KSH - Kash (Korn Shell)
! - Bang
# - Hash
| A few months ago I found out I and everyone I know had been pronuncing "integer" wrong for five years. |
How were you pronouncing it? I pronounce it 'int-e-ger', the "ger" as in Germany.
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Sep 24, 2009 at 12:45pm| Linux I can't really explain how I pronounce it. The "Li" I pronounce similar to how you pronounce the i in "it" or "this". The "nux" is harder to explain. |
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Linux#Pronunciation
| A few months ago I found out I and everyone I know had been pronuncing "integer" wrong for five years. How were you pronouncing it? I pronounce it 'int-e-ger', the "ger" as in Germany. |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/En-us-integer.ogg
Sep 24, 2009 at 1:12pm
With the hard g, like in "go". In our defense, the soft g is unnatural in our dialect, and the closest things would be "intecher" or "intesher", neither of which sound very nice. And of course, we had never heard a native say it.
A hard one for English natives is "Stroustrup". Many assume the ou is pronounced like "out" or "trout", when in fact it's not a phonetic diphthong. It's also counter-intuitive that j is sometimes a phonetic vowel like y.
A hard one for English natives is "Stroustrup". Many assume the ou is pronounced like "out" or "trout", when in fact it's not a phonetic diphthong. It's also counter-intuitive that j is sometimes a phonetic vowel like y.
Sep 24, 2009 at 1:16pm
How do you pronounce Stroustrup? I pronounce it St-roo-strup.
And I'm half Danish... :l
And I'm half Danish... :l
Sep 24, 2009 at 1:33pm
Oh, thanks.
http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq.html#Swedish
I wonder how frequently that gets asked?
http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq.html#Swedish
I wonder how frequently that gets asked?
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