What's the betting...
... That I can successfully install Mac OS X Snow Leopard on my £800 PC? Bearing in mind that I know a guy with a mac, which he spent €2200 (£1995) on, and which is less powerful than my own PC.
As soon as I can get £25 for an install CD; I'll get rolling.
Christmas is pretty soon :P
I really hope this works for two reasons:
1. If it doesn't, I'm out £25 and have a useless OSX CD. For me, being 15 and currently unable to acquire currency, £25 is quite a loss. I spent £40 on a game (some useless activision call of duty we've-done-this-5-times-but-we-won't-give-up-because-we're-still-making-money piece of dirt), played it thrice, thought it was boring, and didn't speak to anyone for the rest of the day, I was so annoyed about getting ripped off (they "Don't have any second hand ones in stock." funnily enough, the second hand ones were about £10 which I could have accepted as a loss). Given that my XBOX doesn't even work anymore anyway, and is out of warranty, I was pretty annoyed.)
2. I really want to use OS X but without paying a ridiculous price for what is essentially an aluminium box that doesn't support an external graphics card. AFAIK, Macs don't have PCIE or AGP, anyway.
I really don't like Macs but I have played with the OS and I think it's pretty good.
Does anyone think this will work/won't work? Why? A guide on the internets said I needed a particular instruction set, and that as I have it (according to CPUZ) I can successfully run OS X.
My CPU is an Intel Core 2 Quad. Has anyone here ever tried thi s before?
Wish me luck in, a. Acquiring £25 and b. Installing (and therefore not wasting) £25
Thanks.
PS. Before anyone recommends bit-torrent; I'm not sure why, but I rather like having "real" copies. I could have gotten an illegal e-book but instead, I bought K&R. Similarly, I want a legal copy of OSX. Partially because I want to go into my local Apple store and say "Remember when I bet you I could install OSX on my PC..."
PPS. I did actually go into an Apple store and bet the guy I could do it. I was trolling at the time, but now, I really think it will work.
PPPS. I have seen a couple of guides, but I promise I won't look at them from the moment my mouse touches the "Submit" button. I think it will be more fun if I figure everything out myself. It can't be too hard, anyway.
As soon as I can get £25 for an install CD; I'll get rolling.
Christmas is pretty soon :P
I really hope this works for two reasons:
1. If it doesn't, I'm out £25 and have a useless OSX CD. For me, being 15 and currently unable to acquire currency, £25 is quite a loss. I spent £40 on a game (some useless activision call of duty we've-done-this-5-times-but-we-won't-give-up-because-we're-still-making-money piece of dirt), played it thrice, thought it was boring, and didn't speak to anyone for the rest of the day, I was so annoyed about getting ripped off (they "Don't have any second hand ones in stock." funnily enough, the second hand ones were about £10 which I could have accepted as a loss). Given that my XBOX doesn't even work anymore anyway, and is out of warranty, I was pretty annoyed.)
2. I really want to use OS X but without paying a ridiculous price for what is essentially an aluminium box that doesn't support an external graphics card. AFAIK, Macs don't have PCIE or AGP, anyway.
I really don't like Macs but I have played with the OS and I think it's pretty good.
Does anyone think this will work/won't work? Why? A guide on the internets said I needed a particular instruction set, and that as I have it (according to CPUZ) I can successfully run OS X.
My CPU is an Intel Core 2 Quad. Has anyone here ever tried thi s before?
Wish me luck in, a. Acquiring £25 and b. Installing (and therefore not wasting) £25
Thanks.
PS. Before anyone recommends bit-torrent; I'm not sure why, but I rather like having "real" copies. I could have gotten an illegal e-book but instead, I bought K&R. Similarly, I want a legal copy of OSX. Partially because I want to go into my local Apple store and say "Remember when I bet you I could install OSX on my PC..."
PPS. I did actually go into an Apple store and bet the guy I could do it. I was trolling at the time, but now, I really think it will work.
PPPS. I have seen a couple of guides, but I promise I won't look at them from the moment my mouse touches the "Submit" button. I think it will be more fun if I figure everything out myself. It can't be too hard, anyway.
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My initial reaction would be to tell you to save your money.
I would also not go bragging to the local Apple shop if you do manage it as I would be a big breach in the licensing terms.
I would also not go bragging to the local Apple shop if you do manage it as I would be a big breach in the licensing terms.
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What? I'm not allowed to buy their software and install it on a non-Apple machine?
The money side is less of an issue - I can get the money, the problem is if it ends up being a waste...
Apple claim this is the most powerful OS ever or something, and judging by the Wikipedia article, I have to agree. Until, that is, GNU/Hurd is stable. I've a feeling that might not be for a long time, though.
Anyway, I don't usually take good advice (no offence). Usually when I think of doing things I end up doing them. I tend to have a 'cross that bridge when I get to it' mentality with regards to these strange ideas I have. I'll consider your advice, however.
The money side is less of an issue - I can get the money, the problem is if it ends up being a waste...
Apple claim this is the most powerful OS ever or something, and judging by the Wikipedia article, I have to agree. Until, that is, GNU/Hurd is stable. I've a feeling that might not be for a long time, though.
Anyway, I don't usually take good advice (no offence). Usually when I think of doing things I end up doing them. I tend to have a 'cross that bridge when I get to it' mentality with regards to these strange ideas I have. I'll consider your advice, however.
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No, you are not allowed to install Mac OS on non Apple hardware.
As I remember, there is also custom hardware in Macs that needs to be present to install the OS. There would also be issues with drivers.
As I remember, there is also custom hardware in Macs that needs to be present to install the OS. There would also be issues with drivers.
That's ridiculous.
Do they want microsoft's reputation?
Oh well. I'm glad I don't own any apple products.
Speaking of microsoft, I wanted to remove the stupid windows recovery partition that the stupid OEM put on there (I want more partitions. I plan to find an ancient UNIX disc or floppy, or, failing that, install openBSD or something).
Anyway, 2 points for microsoft because their disk partitioner is excellent, as is the command line utility. I forget what its called, but its fast and easy. If only gParted were as good, I don't really like gParted.
Do they want microsoft's reputation?
Oh well. I'm glad I don't own any apple products.
Speaking of microsoft, I wanted to remove the stupid windows recovery partition that the stupid OEM put on there (I want more partitions. I plan to find an ancient UNIX disc or floppy, or, failing that, install openBSD or something).
Anyway, 2 points for microsoft because their disk partitioner is excellent, as is the command line utility. I forget what its called, but its fast and easy. If only gParted were as good, I don't really like gParted.
| Until, that is, GNU/Hurd is stable. |
GNU HURD predates Linux, and it is still unstable, while Linux has been stable for some time now. Plus, it will be running all the same software that the various Linux distributions do.
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| That's ridiculous. Do they want microsoft's reputation? |
I don't blame Apple protecting their brand. Microsoft's reputation is often harmed by dodgy third party venders.
For a Unix system you could look at Solaris or openSolaris (depending on your hardware).
JCED, I know Hurd is still unstable, I meam to say that if it does ever get finished, it will prove Linux pretty much obsolete. As much as people say everyone will be using Linux in 5 years - thats only if the hurd is still unstable, or hasn't got any exposure.
Until then, I'm sticking with Linux, and maybe BSD/similar.
Grey Wolf, I might try that. It was made by Sun, right? I like Sun... I'd be forced into using windows if not for OpenOffice, and it actually results in much neater work. Chemistry teacher was pleased.
Anyway, yes, I may try Solaris.
By the way, how the hell did SCO end up with UNIX? Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and co. worked for AT&T/Bell, right?
Until then, I'm sticking with Linux, and maybe BSD/similar.
Grey Wolf, I might try that. It was made by Sun, right? I like Sun... I'd be forced into using windows if not for OpenOffice, and it actually results in much neater work. Chemistry teacher was pleased.
Anyway, yes, I may try Solaris.
By the way, how the hell did SCO end up with UNIX? Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and co. worked for AT&T/Bell, right?
Don't kid yourself. Sun is just as evil as M$.
For that matter, so is Richard Stallman, but he's better at making his lock-in look like free beer.
About SCO [/me goes to wash fingers], see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/FUD.html
http://www.catb.org/~esr/sco.html
For that matter, so is Richard Stallman, but he's better at making his lock-in look like free beer.
About SCO [/me goes to wash fingers], see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/FUD.html
http://www.catb.org/~esr/sco.html
Interesting.
I hate this sue-everyone-for-money culture we have now.
I hate this sue-everyone-for-money culture we have now.
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| Don't kid yourself. Sun is just as evil as M$. |
All 'corporations' are bastards, it's just some put a better face on it.
| I hate this sue-everyone-for-money culture we have now. |
I blame the Americans! (that is a Joke by the way, I blame everyone looking for a quick buck and is willing to pervert what is meant to be good for their own ends.)
What do you call 5000 Lawyers at the bottom of the sea?
A good start.
I developed for Windows for 10 years before changing to my current job which is exclusively Mac development. I too went through the "I want to run OSX on my PC" phase.
Bottom line is: You can't just go out and buy an OS X DVD and install it on your custom built, Intel-based PC - It just won't work (aside from the fact that it is against Apple's license agreement)
Don't let that stop you from trying though! Here are some links to some good resources on the subject:
http://www.osx86project.org/
http://www.hackint0sh.org/
http://lifehacker.com/5360150/install-snow-leopard-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/26/efix_os_x_on_generic_pc/
Pay close attention to the supported list of hardware as this is the biggest show-stopper when it comes to achieving this.
Personally I would love to have a triple-booting Windows/Linux/OSX system at home, it would make life one hell of a lot easier (and free up some much needed desk space). The unfortunate truth is - If you want a reliable & stable OS X installation with free OS updates that are guaranteed not to completely bork your system (well, most of the time anyway), buy a Mac.
Bottom line is: You can't just go out and buy an OS X DVD and install it on your custom built, Intel-based PC - It just won't work (aside from the fact that it is against Apple's license agreement)
Don't let that stop you from trying though! Here are some links to some good resources on the subject:
http://www.osx86project.org/
http://www.hackint0sh.org/
http://lifehacker.com/5360150/install-snow-leopard-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/26/efix_os_x_on_generic_pc/
Pay close attention to the supported list of hardware as this is the biggest show-stopper when it comes to achieving this.
Personally I would love to have a triple-booting Windows/Linux/OSX system at home, it would make life one hell of a lot easier (and free up some much needed desk space). The unfortunate truth is - If you want a reliable & stable OS X installation with free OS updates that are guaranteed not to completely bork your system (well, most of the time anyway), buy a Mac.
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I have just (in the past few weeks) gone back to Mac after a few years in the wildness of 'PC' land. I was gutted when my Blue and White PowerMac finally went 'beyond economic repair' and could not afford to replace it.
I'm now having fun reacquainting myself with Mac OS.
The plan was to install Parallels Desktop but I'm not sure I want to now.
I'm now having fun reacquainting myself with Mac OS.
The plan was to install Parallels Desktop but I'm not sure I want to now.
When it comes to VM's I use Virtual Box: http://www.virtualbox.org/
It's not quite as refined as Parallels but its free and I find it does the job perfectly well. However I'm not really a heavy user of it as I spend most of my time in XCode.
It's not quite as refined as Parallels but its free and I find it does the job perfectly well. However I'm not really a heavy user of it as I spend most of my time in XCode.
The thing is, I think the OS is excellent (I've used it a few times); but
1. I can't afford a mac that's anywhere near as powerful as a PC I could build for ~£336
2. I hate this stupid culture that goes along with getting a mac - "HURR DURR I HAVE MAC I AM COOL I BUY ALL APPLE STUFF IPOD LOL (please accept me into your group =[ )"
If not for all the idiots that buy macs because they look nice and make you look rich, and if macs were cheaper, I'd buy one. But they're not economically viable, and also, I'd hate to look like one of those people that buys all of Apple's junk because it looks good.
1. I can't afford a mac that's anywhere near as powerful as a PC I could build for ~£336
2. I hate this stupid culture that goes along with getting a mac - "HURR DURR I HAVE MAC I AM COOL I BUY ALL APPLE STUFF IPOD LOL (please accept me into your group =[ )"
If not for all the idiots that buy macs because they look nice and make you look rich, and if macs were cheaper, I'd buy one. But they're not economically viable, and also, I'd hate to look like one of those people that buys all of Apple's junk because it looks good.
I vaguely remember a commercial from several years ago in which Apple touted MacOS9 (I think) as being able to install on PCs. (I don't think they meant 'PowerPC')
There's a very good reason Apple doesn't allow MacOS to be installed on non-Macs, and it's the same reason all their hardware look like black boxes. Plastic white black boxes with rounded edges and corners, actually.
You see, a surprisingly large cost for hardware and specially software vendors is the help desk. If you make your hardware harder to mess with, you make it harder to break, which means less help desk calls. If you also make it so that your software will only run on a system you've authorized, that removes quite a few things that can go wrong.
Additionally, you can charge your customers for the most mundane of tasks, such as adding more RAM.
A tinkerer's worst nightmare: http://switchtoamac.com/images/hardware/macs/macpro/macpro_inside.jpg
As you can tell from the URL, that's a pro-Mac site. Anyone who knows a few things about hardware wouldn't touch something like this with a 10-foot pole. It's a perfect example of cool but impractical. Sure, it looks nice (although I'm not sure anyone really cares what a computer, or anything for that matter, looks on the inside), but I'm betting it's not that flexible as to what sort of components will fit in there.
In any case, I don't see the point of putting MacOS in a non-Mac. If you just like the OS, there's the many flavors of BSD, which is essentially the same. Unless you're talking about the interface, in which case... Well... There's no saving you.
You see, a surprisingly large cost for hardware and specially software vendors is the help desk. If you make your hardware harder to mess with, you make it harder to break, which means less help desk calls. If you also make it so that your software will only run on a system you've authorized, that removes quite a few things that can go wrong.
Additionally, you can charge your customers for the most mundane of tasks, such as adding more RAM.
A tinkerer's worst nightmare: http://switchtoamac.com/images/hardware/macs/macpro/macpro_inside.jpg
As you can tell from the URL, that's a pro-Mac site. Anyone who knows a few things about hardware wouldn't touch something like this with a 10-foot pole. It's a perfect example of cool but impractical. Sure, it looks nice (although I'm not sure anyone really cares what a computer, or anything for that matter, looks on the inside), but I'm betting it's not that flexible as to what sort of components will fit in there.
In any case, I don't see the point of putting MacOS in a non-Mac. If you just like the OS, there's the many flavors of BSD, which is essentially the same. Unless you're talking about the interface, in which case... Well... There's no saving you.