What is it in out Brain that is sensitive to EMF?
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So, I assume you all know that EMF stands for Electro-Magnetic Field, and that everyone has varying degrees of EMF-sensitivity.
I have experienced it myself when I had to use my phone as a Wi-Fi hot-spot - whenever I would be downloading data, I would feel especially uncomfortable in my head, and as soon as I would disable the wifi hotspot, I would instantly notice the disturbance being gone.
What exactly is it in our brains that is affected by EMF?
I have experienced it myself when I had to use my phone as a Wi-Fi hot-spot - whenever I would be downloading data, I would feel especially uncomfortable in my head, and as soon as I would disable the wifi hotspot, I would instantly notice the disturbance being gone.
What exactly is it in our brains that is affected by EMF?
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Don't neurons use electrical signals to send messages throughout the body?
Neurons and Memory cells store memories and send signals through electrochemical reactions.
The emf would have to be pretty damn strong (think of an electro magnet the size of a skyscraper with gigawatts of power running through it) to affect the operation of your nervous system, though, because the electrical current in your body is very very small.
The emf would have to be pretty damn strong (think of an electro magnet the size of a skyscraper with gigawatts of power running through it) to affect the operation of your nervous system, though, because the electrical current in your body is very very small.
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This seems more like a question for google, but im bored so ill google for you.
http://www.safespaceprotection.com/harmful-effects-electromagnetic-fields.aspx
according to this, probably cause your growing a tumor in your BRAAAAAINN!
( its really hard to find decent sources on this. most are coming from sites like "treehugger.org" )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity
wiki seems to be the best, however it also says the scientific community doesnt seem to agree there is any link between emfs and symptoms like yours
on a side note, i used to trim trees by powerlines, which involved being very close to them. neither me or my co-workers have ever experienced such effects.
http://www.safespaceprotection.com/harmful-effects-electromagnetic-fields.aspx
according to this, probably cause your growing a tumor in your BRAAAAAINN!
( its really hard to find decent sources on this. most are coming from sites like "treehugger.org" )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity
wiki seems to be the best, however it also says the scientific community doesnt seem to agree there is any link between emfs and symptoms like yours
on a side note, i used to trim trees by powerlines, which involved being very close to them. neither me or my co-workers have ever experienced such effects.
I have an Aunt who is on a NIMBY committee in her home town because of this phenomena. I was skeptical about this for a long time until she brought it up and she at least makes it sound plausible. Now she IS some what of a tree huger, she used to restore sections of the rain forest for some NFPO and now she owns and runs her own flower shop, but she isn't some one you could look at and know that about her right away.
The way she explains it is that it is a varying degree of sensitivity that all people have but for most it is so minuscule that they don't notice it. Some of the obvious things you would expect to influence it like metallic dental work and bone plates can increase the severity of the condition but not every one who experiences this problem has that in common EDIT: and some people with this kind of medical work done don't report any sensitivity at all. There is evidence that your bone structure is a factor since different people seem to be more and less sensitive to different frequencies and there are stories of people growing into and out of this condition.
MHO: I'm on the fence with this one.
@ LB: My suggestion, if the effects you experience aren't too severe, is that you do some more testing with this. Try setting a friends phone as a hot spot and see if you feel anything similar. Try the same model and carrier if you can, maybe some thing is defective with your unit and it's bleeding at a frequency it isn't meant to. If this is the case then you're one RMA from resolving this issue.
The way she explains it is that it is a varying degree of sensitivity that all people have but for most it is so minuscule that they don't notice it. Some of the obvious things you would expect to influence it like metallic dental work and bone plates can increase the severity of the condition but not every one who experiences this problem has that in common EDIT: and some people with this kind of medical work done don't report any sensitivity at all. There is evidence that your bone structure is a factor since different people seem to be more and less sensitive to different frequencies and there are stories of people growing into and out of this condition.
MHO: I'm on the fence with this one.
@ LB: My suggestion, if the effects you experience aren't too severe, is that you do some more testing with this. Try setting a friends phone as a hot spot and see if you feel anything similar. Try the same model and carrier if you can, maybe some thing is defective with your unit and it's bleeding at a frequency it isn't meant to. If this is the case then you're one RMA from resolving this issue.
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Everything in our brains is done through electrical impulses that carry signals that our mind knows how to interpret and act upon. Everything we do is just a series of electrical impulses. Why else do you think electrical current applied to a muscle causes it to contract and make you unable to let go? Because the electrical current simulates the contract signal your mind would send to it. Same with EMF, it is sending signals to our brain that is sending false signals so you feel paranoid, nausea, etc. depending on the person's mental make up.
BHX:
Except electromagnetic fields don't send "signals" to our brains. Electromagnetic fields affect current, and our synapses don't have a lot of that. For any effect to occur, the electromagnetic field would have to be incredibly strong.
Except electromagnetic fields don't send "signals" to our brains. Electromagnetic fields affect current, and our synapses don't have a lot of that. For any effect to occur, the electromagnetic field would have to be incredibly strong.
Actually, for the effect to occur, it is best if the EM field value is incredibly low. Similar in fact, to the value which is expected by various cells. In that way, things can be greatly affected.
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| electromagnetic field would have to be incredibly strong. |
Although from what I gather it's not uncommon to feel weary or paranoid in areas of high EMF. This usually implies unshielded wiring from something that takes a lot of power like a water heater or a circuit breaker. I doubt that the radio waves emitted by your phone's hotspot capabilities have this power.
But yeah do what BHXSpecter suggested, I'm interested to see if you can recreate the situation with a different phone or other devices. It's certainly possible for you to be hypersensitive to it for whatever reason. Extrasensory perception, anyone?
(Unrelated) While we're talking about electromagnetic fields, something I always found cool: It would take a magnet strong enough to rip the iron in our blood out of our veins to destroy data stored on a USB flash drive.
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I heard a good physicist say something along the lines of 'the trouble with these people who claim ESP is that when you put them in a lab, it never shows up! Now I'm not saying that ESP doesn't exist. It just so happens that whenever we do an experiment to gather evidence for its existence, we don't find it.'
In other news, WiFi (and mobile phones in general) operates in microwaves, not radio waves.
In other news, WiFi (and mobile phones in general) operates in microwaves, not radio waves.
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| Except electromagnetic fields don't send "signals" to our brains. Electromagnetic fields affect current, and our synapses don't have a lot of that. For any effect to occur, the electromagnetic field would have to be incredibly strong. |
I said sending false signals. There is no signals sent by the EMF, it is our brain interpreting the EMF field as a signal and activating different parts of our brain causing people to feel nauseous, paranoid, on edge, etc. The signal receptors in our mind come into contact with the EMF field and falsely think the brain sent a signal to make you feel sick or feel paranoid (like someone is behind you).
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| Mats wrote: |
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| In other news, WiFi (and mobile phones in general) operates in microwaves, not radio waves. |
@htirwin:
Thanks for supplying those. I'll give them a read and then comment on it a bit later. I'm genuinely interested in this conversation now.
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And microwaves operate at the same frequency of WiFi, which is why one bad microwave and just destroy a WiFi zone.
Well if you believe everything on ghost hunter like shows (father-in-law watches them) and I recall one where they were in a western state at some museum. There were several radio towers near the place and the investigators had assumed the paranoia and feelings of people behind them could be coming from the fields the towers were putting off (was like 4 or 5 of them).
To the argument that the emf is "more effective" at "lower value". You see, that's not true, because our cells expect electrical signals, not electromagnetic signals. Read up before you start talking.
Also, I'll believe you when you can accurately "feel" a source when you aren't even aware of it. There is a lot of psychology to this that yall are forgetting: most people will answer with a "yes" if they're paranoid because then they can pin their feeling to somthing that is tangable and not abstract.
Also, I would like some proof that wifi uses the same frequency as microwaves. Just because they are both microwaves doesn't make them the same frequency. The difference between a microwave and a wireless signal is that one will make all of your body fluids boil, so forgive my skepticism.
Also, I'll believe you when you can accurately "feel" a source when you aren't even aware of it. There is a lot of psychology to this that yall are forgetting: most people will answer with a "yes" if they're paranoid because then they can pin their feeling to somthing that is tangable and not abstract.
Also, I would like some proof that wifi uses the same frequency as microwaves. Just because they are both microwaves doesn't make them the same frequency. The difference between a microwave and a wireless signal is that one will make all of your body fluids boil, so forgive my skepticism.
Proof of WiFi using the same frequency as micorwaves:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
And for some additional reading regarding signal interfearance and the lot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem
EDIT: @ IWishIKnew: You seem to have underestimated how much of a range the term Microwave covers.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
And for some additional reading regarding signal interfearance and the lot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem
EDIT: @ IWishIKnew: You seem to have underestimated how much of a range the term Microwave covers.
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@IWishIKnew
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=645813
This study suggests the fairly low levels of EMF produced by cell phones does have an effect on the area of the brain closest to the antenna.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=645813
| In contrast, metabolism in the region closest to the antenna (orbitofrontal cortex and temporal pole) was significantly higher for on than off conditions ... The increases were significantly correlated with the estimated electromagnetic field amplitudes both for absolute metabolism (...) and normalized metabolism (...). |
This study suggests the fairly low levels of EMF produced by cell phones does have an effect on the area of the brain closest to the antenna.
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| because our cells expect electrical signals, not electromagnetic signals. Read up before you start talking. |
Electromagnetism is a fundamental force. Electricity itself is not.
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| The difference between a microwave and a wireless signal is that one will make all of your body fluids boil, so forgive my skepticism. |
Pumped out with the amount of energy a cell phone transmitter can create, well, you see my point. There's a reason why they put high voltage warnings on most microwave ovens.
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Thumper wrote:
But you're forgetting: The medium in which the "signal" travels is through the magnetic field. I would have to see some proof that brain cells can interpret differences in electrical resistance along synapse connections which are created by differences in the strength of a magnetic field.
naraku wrote:
I appreciate your tenacity. This only indicates that cell phone signals affect the brain by increasing it's activity. It doesn't prove that it makes you nervous or paranoid.
Also, I knew that cell phone signals did this. I think I read about this a few years ago, but not this exact article. Seems like they know their stuff though.
| Except that electricity and magnetism are kind of a duality. That's why it's called electromagnetism. one doesn't exist without the other. Electricity induces magnetism. Magnetism induces electricity. So your point is moot as it makes no sense |
But you're forgetting: The medium in which the "signal" travels is through the magnetic field. I would have to see some proof that brain cells can interpret differences in electrical resistance along synapse connections which are created by differences in the strength of a magnetic field.
naraku wrote:
| This study suggests the fairly low levels of EMF produced by cell phones does have an effect on the area of the brain closest to the antenna. |
I appreciate your tenacity. This only indicates that cell phone signals affect the brain by increasing it's activity. It doesn't prove that it makes you nervous or paranoid.
Also, I knew that cell phone signals did this. I think I read about this a few years ago, but not this exact article. Seems like they know their stuff though.
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