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| Modern games are crap, older ones are better. |
And yet you provide absolutely no evidence for such an outlandish claim. Some old games (Sonic, Pokemon, Mario) have newer variants which are (IMO) horrible games. That doesn't mean that all old games are better than all modern ones.
@jRaskell
Don’t make me laugh. You think that these games are RPGs because the creators said so? You think that they are successful because the produces earned a lot of money selling them? For me they are stupid “go there, kill X, return with Y” games which fail miserably both as action and as RPG games.
@chrisname
Where exactly have I said that the worst old game is better than the best modern game? I just meant that the most well-known, recognized, important games in the past were better (my subjective opinion) than their counterparts now.
I don’t want to clutter this topic with completely unrelated discussion, so maybe let’s assume that I’m just too old and my expectations towards modern games are inadequate.
Don’t make me laugh. You think that these games are RPGs because the creators said so? You think that they are successful because the produces earned a lot of money selling them? For me they are stupid “go there, kill X, return with Y” games which fail miserably both as action and as RPG games.
@chrisname
Where exactly have I said that the worst old game is better than the best modern game? I just meant that the most well-known, recognized, important games in the past were better (my subjective opinion) than their counterparts now.
I don’t want to clutter this topic with completely unrelated discussion, so maybe let’s assume that I’m just too old and my expectations towards modern games are inadequate.
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| You think that these games are RPGs because the creators said so? You think that they are successful because the produces earned a lot of money selling them? |
Objectively, sales and profits are really the only way to determine the success of a product.
As for what I think... What I really think is that comparing my opinions to your opinions, or anyone elses for that matter, is completely pointless, so I will not go down that path.
However, that does not mean we cannot make specific objective comparisons between your 'real' RPGs and modern RPGs. Such a discussion should be moved to the lounge though.
Just because some people prefer 3d graphics doesn't mean that 3d graphics are better. In fact, I do consider them a detraction from some games. I personally find it to be a travesty to use graphical tiles in Angband. Doesn't mean that the tiles are bad. It just means I hate them. They overcomplicate things and ASCII graphics have a feel that I prefer, infinitely. To use graphics because "they're better" or "because you can" is a crap argument. It's all subjective.
And just because games are new doesn't mean they are any good. You can take a look at the discussions on SC2 on TL.net. People agree that Zerg is overpowered. (inject larvae, but that's another story) The original SC was spectacularly balanced, a balance that no game has been able to replicate quite as well without taking away the uniqueness of races. (A modder by the username of IskatuMesk has written some great articles on this) And Supreme Commander had a lot going for it but it didn't really end up going anywhere, now did it? It's not even gotten close to the continuous fanbase that Starcraft has had for eleven straight years and still has.
The fact that console games still exist is a testament to the fact that they are in all ways equal to "modern" "better" games. All game quality is subjective and therefore no one game or type of game can be put down as being "worse" than the other because it has "crappier graphics" or "isn't new".
And just because games are new doesn't mean they are any good. You can take a look at the discussions on SC2 on TL.net. People agree that Zerg is overpowered. (inject larvae, but that's another story) The original SC was spectacularly balanced, a balance that no game has been able to replicate quite as well without taking away the uniqueness of races. (A modder by the username of IskatuMesk has written some great articles on this) And Supreme Commander had a lot going for it but it didn't really end up going anywhere, now did it? It's not even gotten close to the continuous fanbase that Starcraft has had for eleven straight years and still has.
The fact that console games still exist is a testament to the fact that they are in all ways equal to "modern" "better" games. All game quality is subjective and therefore no one game or type of game can be put down as being "worse" than the other because it has "crappier graphics" or "isn't new".
I agree, the gaming industry is focused on what attracts an audience, not what we like to see in games.
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