I am the lord of the wind...

[m4ster r0shi]

I'm curious, what are your religious beliefs? Well, since I want to know I guess I'll have to talk about mine first... I've recently read a book that intrigued me. I'll post some excerpts from it. Please, have a look and tell me your opinion of it. It's gonna be big, sorry about that, but I wanted to post all the parts I consider important and there were many of them :P However, I tried to make every part easy and interesting to read. Enjoy!

(a few words about the author)

I am a giant rising up from the grave of antiquity to deliver truth that will bring the
world into chaos and to help create a new paradigm to which all people can celebrate not
their heritage but their spiritual history.
[...]
I have come as a brother to mankind of which I was once a fervent part. I lived here as man 
and experienced all that you have experienced. I lived your despair and wept your sorrow. 
I dreamed your dreams and knew your joy.
[...]
I have come not to save you, for there is really nothing to save you from. I have come simply 
to remind you of the wonderful heritage you forgot long ago and to tell you of a glorious future 
you are all soon to see.
[...]
I know who you are. And I know what you do and what you dream. When you think no one sees you, 
you must understand that you are like the stars in the heavens at midnight. You are there for all to see.
All things know who you are and what you do, particularly those of us in the unseen. Who you are 
really matters only to you. When all is said and done, you have only you to depend upon and that 
precious light withing you calles God Almighty. Be even with yourself. Be individual with yourself. 
And love what you are so that your light and how you are seen, like the stars at midnight, 
becomes very bright and very beautiful.

(here, he talks about people living on earth)

So let’s go over this again. Could it be that you are already dead? Yes? It is true. 
Am I speaking to an audience of the underworld? Why not? Why can’t you entertain that? 
Because if you can entertain that, then you are very loosely tied to your body. If you can’t, 
you are going to have problems. Why can’t you entertain that, that maybe you are really 
already dead and maybe this class that is being held is being held right now in the light review 
and this is one of the classes that you are attending? Keep scratching. You are going to get it.
[...]
Who is to say of all the potentials that exist, do you know that you cannot exhaust
the ideas, the things that can be manufactured from atoms? You cannot even exhaust the
probabilities of potentials that they can become. And all they are is coagulated ideas in the
form of energy. You cannot exhaust it. You cannot think long enough in a lifetime to make
them become everything that they have the potential of becoming. So who is to say that
you have not flipped already back into this [Plane of Bliss]? And let’s say this: Who is to say
that you are one of those masters on the other side that is this close — this close. You have
flipped back into this time. You have died to this life review. You are reviewing it — you are
reviewing it — something you have missed. You have the power to do that.
Why then would you want to do that without going through the ability just to die? Why
not give up this physical body? I mean, it is certainly a trap. It is a prison. I don’t care how
you look at it; it is a prison. Why not just give it up? You have the power to leave your body,
to get out of here. Why then do real masters learn the art of longevity and immortality?
Why? There must be a reason that they want to preserve this. And it isn’t about their looks
and it isn’t about how many orgasms they can have and it isn’t about how much food they
can eat. They want to preserve it. It is not about how curvaceous or uncurvaceous; it has
nothing to do with appearance. They died to that a long time ago because when they were
born spiritual, they could love nothing but spiritual.
[...]
I want you to draw a picture — put it down in an abstract graphic — seeing this in
the light, and that you are already dead and that you are about to be reborn, and you
thought you were alive all along. You draw that. Draw it and color it. Why do I want you
to do that? Because I want this knowledge to be up here [brain]. Why? Because at the
end of the day you are supposed to know something that the soul knows. And unless you
can draw it and color it, you are not going to know it and you are going to have to revisit
this day again. So be it.

(here, he talks about me)

And on the Plane of Bliss our ulterior motive there is not buried — it is surface — and from that,
there is a flowering in long dreams. Those who have the remarkable dreams of the future, 
that so analogical are they and such a long time are they in that state that when they incarnate, they 
seem to have a whole different agenda. They are not normal in the sense that other people are normal. 
What interests other people may interest them mildly for moments, but you begin to see that the thrust 
of this individual is much different, marginally different than people who do not come back with great 
dreams. And this becomes their ulterior motive, even as children, and that motive starts to build in their life. 
And they may build up rust and crust just from the harrowing experiences of society and culture, 
but for the most part so integrated is the dream from Bliss, the desire from Bliss, that it stays 
right underneath the surface. And all common thought that comes from it, though tainted by surface 
corrosion, is by and large much more powerful. These lives are going to be meaningful lives 
because the ulterior motive in them is meaningful — meaningful.
See it as an innate goal that has been set into place.

(here, he talks about, well, other people hahaha)

When you don’t dream those dreams and you are coming back with your mixed bag
of things you have to take care of, then those are the ulterior motives that sit inside of
you, and you come back. If you were a harsh entity before, you are going to come back as
that once again so that you have an opportunity in your harshness to override it and turn
it over. And you are going to have the exact kind of individuals in your life as you did the
last life, because it takes they, who are endeavoring to learn too, for an exchange to occur.
So everything in one’s life is an opportunity to elevate, is an opportunity to evolve, is an
opportunity to change.

[m4ster r0shi]

(mom, look what I can do with my brain!)

Though your brain was designed to receive every frequency of thought in the
mind of God, in the entirety of knowingness it will be activated to receive
only those frequencies you allow yourself to receive. And of all the wonderful
thoughts bombarding the God that holds you together, the only knowingness that most
allow is of the lower frequency thoughts of social consciousness, which are very limited,
very cloistered, as you have well experienced.
[...]
The only reason someone is a genius and knows things you do not know is because he
has opened his mind to contemplate the what-ifs, the outrageous thoughts, the thoughts of
brilliance that go beyond the limited thinking of man. He has allowed himself to entertain
and reason with these thoughts, whereas you have rejected them. You cannot receive
them because you have yet to activate those portions of your brain that will enable you to
reason with them. So what happens to the great thoughts of unlimited understanding that
continually bombard your light structure? They bounce off your receiver unit and are sent
back out through the Spirit of your being, back into the river of thought.
[...]
I tell you, whatever is allowed to be thought of, is. And whatever you allow yourself to
think, you will experience, for your electromagnetic field will draw it to you.
[...]
The brain has been a great mystery that has perplexed many. They take it out to look
at it and they can’t find anything in it, save its fluids, which are water. Water is a conductor
of electrical current. The denser the water, the greater the amplification of the electrical
current put through it. In the dormant portions of your brain, the fluid is denser for the
purpose of amplifying the higher thought frequencies into greater electrical currents and
sending them throughout the body at a greater rate of speed. So when you allow more of
your thoughts to be housed in the dormant parts, your body is activated to become quicker
and more profound in its responses. You can do anything with your body once the totality
of your brain is in use. Through your soul — which is recording and holding steadfast the
emotion of every thought you receive — your brain and its impulses to your body can create
your body to be however your thoughts determine it to be.
[...]
Your body is maintained according to your brain and your collective thinking, for every
thought you allow to enter your brain electrifies and feeds every cell of your body. Yet
from the time you were a child and could reason in social consciousness, you accepted the
programming that you must grow up, become old, and then die. So because you accepted
that thought, you began to degrade the life force within your body, because the thought
of olderness sends a slow or low frequency, electrical spark to each cellular structure. The
slower the rate of speed, the greater the loss of agility within the body, for the body is
lessened in its ability to rejuvenate and restore itself. Thus age is permitted to occur and
ultimately the death of the body. Yet if you allowed yourself to continuously receive higher
thought frequencies, you would send faster and more high-powered electrical currents
throughout your body and it would stay forever in the moment, thus never advancing in
age or dying. But everyone here knows it will age and die, so slowly the current becomes
less and less and less.
[...]
What is this religious figure called God, that infinite mystery that man has
desperately searched to find for eons? It is thought and its ability to receive itself and, by
receiving itself, to become and expand itself. That is all God is: the totality of thought,
the eminence of life. And right within your own being you have the power to become
God completely — completely — for if the full spectrum of your brain were in use, you
would be this moment to the ends of forever; you would know all that is known; you
would be the hue of the sun, the depths of the sea, the power of the wind, and the star
upon the horizon.
[...]
I tell you, you have the ability to know everything there is to know. And you also
possess the ability to manifest everything you ever want. You also possess the ability to live
forever in your body, if that is your desire. But to all these things, the altered ego says, “Nay.”
So for that you will know who man is, but God will always remain a mystery.

(how he got out of his body for the first time)

So, alas, entity, I desired to become the wind and I contemplated on it years and years.
Indeed, that became my ideal. That is what I wanted. That is what all my thoughts were
bent to becoming. And many times, as it were indeed — and the first occurrence did not
occur until six years after, as it were, my resurrection, as it were — but every evening,
master, I would go upon, as it were, a solitary place and gaze into the moon and her soft
pallor and contemplate the wind. And then only by accident did I become it, as it were indeed,
but when I became it, entity, I only had left my body, as you would call it. The thought was so
desirable that it left the body and I caught myself up into the air. And when I looked down 
upon my embodiment, I caught myself in a fright and felt fear for the first time since I was run
through. And it was the fear that brought me back to the body. But I was in that which is
called paradise, master, because I thought I had become the wind, as I had been, I am sure,
in a place to how the wind would see me if it could. So that is what I did.
[...]
But after a point, physician, that thought became slowly the very life force in my whole
cellular structure. My soul changed the programming in my cells to increase the vibratory
rate within them because the desire was that strong. But it was the peace that allowed it
to occur. When you try very hard to be something, you don’t do anything but be very hard.
You know, that is the effort that is being expelled. But I never lost sight of that ideal nor did
I ever forget the moment of feeling when I looked down upon my pitiful embodiment. But
it was the peace that went from here, physician, into here, and the controls began to work
there. The whole of my glands were changed. That which is termed, as it were indeed, the
pituitary began to expand greatly because I had no desire in my loins; it was all here. And
that geared up that which is termed the soul to change the vibration rate and the whole
frequency in the body, the whole of it, to where I became lighter and lighter and lighter.
And indeed peoples would look upon me and they would say, “Alas, there is a glow about
the master” — there was — and the glow and the light was ebbing from the faster rate of
speed the body was going at.

[m4ster r0shi]

(death or ascension?)

"Death is not a necessary rule in this kingdom. It is
far easier to take the body with you. Then you never
have to be born again through the birth canal and
come into a consciousness which regretfully does not
accept your memory."

Student:Do we always have to be born through the birth canalin order to come back here?
*******:To answer your question, master, first I wish you to understand that this is the 
plane of three-dimensional perception. It is the plane where thought is visible in the three-dimensional
form called matter.
[...]
The matter of this plane is thus light that has been slowed in its vibratory frequency
and taken to its densest form.
[...]
Because you are in your essence a light energy that is of a greater vibratory frequency than the density 
of matter, if you did not possess an embodiment of matter you would pass through the matter of this plane. 
Thus the body is what allows you, through its density and sense organs, to perceive and experience 
and interact with the matter of this plane.
[...]
One way to have an embodiment is to be born through the birth canal. The only other
way to have a body in order to experience this plane is to be born through the birth canal, 
wholly maintain the integrity of self, and activate the entirety of the organ called the brain. 
Once you have opened your brain capacity to full use, you can at will command
the body to raise its vibratory frequency to the point where it goes out of the frequency level 
of matter and into the vibratory frequency of light. That is called ascension. Ascension is simply 
the means of taking the entirety of your being into another dimension of your accepted
consciousness. Death is certainly one way to get there, but that means allowing the structure 
of the embodiment to fall into age and decay and to be no longer. Then you are without the
embodiment. Ascension is taking your embodiment with you.
[...]
Student: I'm not sure I understand how ascension enables you to return to this plane.
******: You see, master, when you take your body with you, the body can be raised and lowered 
upon any frequency level you choose. [...] Once you master ascension, you maintain your body forever
and can come and go at will with your own embodiment. Then any moment you wish to be a part of this 
plane again, all you have to do is lower the bodily vibrations to where it vibrates at the same frequency 
as this plane, and here you are.
[...]
Student: It would seem that ascension is a difficult thing to achieve because you don't hear much about 
people ascending.
******: On the contrary, master, ascension is very easy to achieve. In truth, it is simpler than dying. 
What is difficult to achieve is mastering judgment against your thoughts. What is indeed difficult to achieve 
is mastering the illusion of time in order to allot yourself the patience to do it. But once you do,
ascension is simply a thought away. Then you have retained your body for all times and can thus be a traveler 
upon any plane at any moment you choose.
Student: And you never experience death?
******: Never. How can you when you are beyond it? You know, death is a great illusion. Death is an accepted
reality on this plane, which all think must be; thus it has become a reality. Entity, the only reality is life; 
everything else is an illusion. Illusions are thoughts, that are games, that become realities.
[...]
You know, master, in this very moment you can cease time completely and live in the foreverness of this Now, 
if you so choose, for is time not an illusion? Who has seen it? A great hypocrisy exists here because you refuse 
to believe in the unseen, yet you wholly worship and are enslaved to time. You have the power right within you, 
right where you are, to reverse the age of your embodiment back into youth and to live on and on and on. 
How? Simply through your attitude. If you do not want the body to age and die, change your attitude.
Let your attitude say that the body will live forever, and so it will. Remove all things from your life that acknowledge 
the ending of it, and it will never end. Never have the word "old" in your vocabulary understanding. Have "forever" 
in your understanding. Cease the celebration of your birthdays, for that only gives credence to the aging process. 
If it pleases you to acknowledge your birth, do so, but reverse the count of your years and become younger. 
When you do not expect your death, you will never know it.
[...]
Student: I have another question about ascension. Is ascension what Jesus did when he resurrected his body 
and then reappeared?
******: That is indeed how Yeshua ben Joseph did it. That is what I did. That is what Buddha did. 
That is what Osiris, Om Akad, Yukad, and Rackabia did. And there have been thousands
more that you are not even aware of.

(life-review, what you did comes back to you tenfold)

In elder times it was called Judgment Day. It is Judgment Day, except that it really isn’t a
judgment; it is to refresh your memory on what you did.
[...]
So there you watch your life. How is that possible? Because the bands that you are,
that supported and gave and nourished life in the womb take back with them, as mind,
everything that you ever did, because doing is an action and action is energy. And the focus
of that energy is the patterns of mind. So we begin to watch the patterns of mind as they
come together in a whole lifetime’s effort.
[...]
Now let’s pause here for a moment and let me tell you this. Every moment — every
moment — in the light of all eternity will be weighed against a feather one day. Every
moment counts. Everything that you do and I did is seen. And it is seen both as the
Observer and the participant, both as the doer and the done-to — everything. That is
why it is called Judgment Day because most ignorant people think, or they are under
the delusion, that their thoughts aren’t things. Their thoughts are things. And they are
under the delusionment that what they do behind their closed doors no one knows but
them. That is a delusion. Everything is known and everything will be shown. And in this
heightened state it is necessary not for any one being to look at you and to condemn you;
it will be enough that we see it for ourselves. There is no harsher judge than the soul on
Judgment Day.
[...]
So then you suffer the attack of your villainy and you feel what it feels like. You become
the child that you have beaten and you feel its helpless pain. You become that which is
termed the abuser and the full onslaught of tempted intoxicating fury upon that which is
innocent and cannot strike back. You feel what it is to be slandered upon and your good and
gracious name abused and dishonored. You will feel that because you are God.
[...]
And in this exposé we find wholeness even in the suffering, that rarefied moment.
And how do I describe suffering without a body? Well, emotion, though it is generated by
electrical stimuli from the brain, from neuronets, and then dominoed in the body through
the release of hormones, becomes a living thing. It is an energy field. And it is with that
energy field that we stand and we are then immersed within all of this energy. We cannot
undo it. It is done. The die has been cast.

[m4ster r0shi]

(a fundamental reality creating principle)

Now lesson number one: You get exactly what you
want. Will you write that down?
"I get exactly what I want"

(is there really right and wrong?)

There is neither good nor bad, master; there is only Isness.
In the Isness, all things are measured solely in terms of fulfillment,
in terms of the emotional experience needed by the soul to fulftll
itself in wisdom. Everything that you have ever done - however
beautiful or vile you have determined it to be - you have done
simply for the sake of knowing. You were pressed by your soul
and your passions to do it in order to learn. Only by doing it did
you realize and ascertain the value of that doing and thus gain
from it. That is neither evil nor is it wicked; that is what it takes
to become God.
[...]
******: Now, master, do tell me what you think evil is. What is your
understanding of bad?
Student: Well, I would say that it's the opposite of good.
But mostly what I think evil is, is harming another person.
******: Indeed? Why is that evil?
Student: Well, for example, if someone harmed my daughter,
it's evil because, let's say, she might die.
******: That is your judgment of evil. But what is evil
about dying?
Student: So you don't even think that killing someone
is evil?
******: That is correct, because I have not limited myself
by believing in the ending of anyone thing, for nothing is ever
destroyed - ever. So if an entity dies, what is the loss in death?
The Father, in his Isness and eternalness of ongoing life,
has not created anyone thing greater than himself that could
disturb the guarantee of all existence. What the Father created,
master, nothing can put under; it will eternally live. So your child
would not have been destroyed, because nothing can destroy the
life of God.
Student: So you're saying that even murder is not wrong
or evil.
******: That is correct.
I tell you, master, life is ongoing. It will go on and on and
on. And moment into moment into moment, as we express upon
the platform of life, we have unlimited opportunities to fulfill
ourselves in happiness in each moment of life. But however
one chooses to fulfill his moments, it will always be according
to his will and his desire and what he perceives to be good for
his being. And if in the moment an entity chooses to slay another,
then in the next moment he will live in awesome guilt and selfjudgment
and the fear that somehow that act will come back to
him. Thus his moments to come are not secure unless he forgives
himself for the act.
[...]
I do not acknowledge good or evil, only life. If it moves an
entity to slay another - or to do it within his soul by simply
thinking about it - one is not greater than the other, for what
you have done in your thoughts, you have already done. And there
is not one entity that has not cleaved another in his thoughts.
That entity in either case needs to express that for his purposeful
understanding. And I wish you to understand that one who
participates with the slayer in his expression is not the victim of
the slayer, for he has contemplated the possibility of perhaps being
burned, or cleaved in two, or molested. And because he had
contemplated it and it is fearsome, he has drawn it right to his
doorstep. Thus the one who needs to molest and the one who
needs to be molested - because he needs to understand it - are
brought together for the experience.

(closing words)

You are here, master, to become God. And to become that,
you must remove from your being every law, every dogmatic belief,
every ritualistic practice and become unlimited in your thought
processes. If you desire unlimited freedom of expression - a
body that will never die and the peace and joy of being - know
that the life you are living is completely unlimited. When you
know that, so it will become, for whatever you desire and whatever
you know as a truth in your being, so it will be. That is the only
law you need ever accept within your kingdom.
Know that you will never have to pay for anything that
you have ever thought or done in this or any life as long as you
forgive yourself for it. Forgiveness of self is the divine act that
removes from your soul the guilt and judgment of self that limit
the expression of the God that you are. Once you have forgiven
yourself, know that this life and those to come are simply for
the experience of being a part of the Now that is the future of
all that is. Know that you are forever, that you have never failed, and
that the only thing you have ever done wrong is believing that
you have done something wrong.

Love yourself, master, and listen to what self says, what it
needs to feel, and then pursue it heartily until you are bored with
it. Boredom is a sign from your soul that you have learned all
there is to learn from an experience and that it is time to go on to
another adventure. When you listen only to the feelings within
you, then you are free to become in this moment whatever you
choose to become. And know that you never have to answer to
any law, any teaching, or any entity. Now - and the feelings that
you gain from it - is all that will ever be important.
Become lawless, master. That does not equate recklessness.
It means that the ropesman will take the rope away from your
throat and allow you to breathe. When you remove yourself from
laws and dogma and limited beliefs, then you are allowing yourself
to be the freedom and unlimitedness that God is. Then you can
simply be the power that you are, to create and regenerate yourself
and life. Then the reason that you are here is not to make amends
to whomever you did whatever to, but rather because you want to
live. And that adventure unfolds moment to moment to moment.
Live and be happy. That is the only thing the Father has
ever asked you to do.  

[Disch]

TL;DR, but I skimmed. I'm not a fan. This in particular irked me:

But mostly what I think evil is, is harming another person.
******: Indeed? Why is that evil?
Student: Well, for example, if someone harmed my daughter,
it's evil because, let's say, she might die.
******: That is your judgment of evil. But what is evil
about dying?
Student: So you don't even think that killing someone
is evil?
******: That is correct, because I have not limited myself
by believing in the ending of anyone thing, for nothing is ever
destroyed - ever. So if an entity dies, what is the loss in death?

So because he doesn't "limit himself" into thinking that death is a bad thing, it's okay for him to kill other people?

Well I don't limit myself into thinking mugging people is evil, so I'm going to find this guy, beat him up, and take all of his money. Then I'll leave him bloody and beaten in a pool of his own vomit. If it doesn't bother me, then it's not evil, right? Why should I care that he's in agonizing pain if I don't believe that putting other people in pain in evil.

This guy sounds like a pod. You can't limit yourself to your own views and beliefs. You have to adapt to the views and beliefs of those around you. It's the only way to coexist in any society.

I don't want to be killed. My friends and family would be very upset if I were killed. Therefore you should consider our views and realize that killing me would be a bad thing.

It's not that difficult a concept, but sometimes these kinds of people get so caught up in their attempt at selfawareness that they tend to lose grip on reality. I get the impression that is what happened to this guy.



As for my beliefs, I'm on the atheistic side of agnostic. I tend to favor rationality and scientific explanation rather than folklore, mysticism, and spirituality. God and science don't play nice together, and since I directly see science in action every moment of every day, and I never directly see God in action, I find it much easier to buy into scientific explantions for things.

I try to stay open to alternative views, but only if they are rational.

[Return 0]

I'm curious, what are your religious beliefs?

Here we go again...

[m4ster r0shi]

How much of it did you read? :D Mind that the killer will not get away with it... Take a look at the life-review part. He's doomed to experience that particular moment more intensively than his victim did. Also in the part you're referring to you can also see:

And I wish you to understand that one who
participates with the slayer in his expression is not the victim of
the slayer, for he has contemplated the possibility of perhaps being
burned, or cleaved in two, or molested. And because he had
contemplated it and it is fearsome, he has drawn it right to his
doorstep. Thus the one who needs to molest and the one who
needs to be molested - because he needs to understand it - are
brought together for the experience.

Disch wrote:

I don't want to be killed.

Then you won't be killed. It's as simple as that!

Disch wrote:

God and science don't play nice together, and since I directly see science in action every moment of every day, and I never directly see God in action, I find it much easier to buy into scientific explantions for things.

There's a theorem in advanced physics which says that energy is preserved because the laws of physics remain the same as time passes. I want you to think, is this stability of the laws of physics some kind of dynamic equilibrium? Someone thinks constantly that the laws are what they are and because he has better understanding of himself than you have of yourself he forces his thought to be a reality for you. Isn't this a more general model than the one that says that the laws of physics are what they are just because they are what they are? And isn't the approach of a problem with a more general model guaranteed to give you a better probability to solve it?

Think of the physics exercises with Newton's laws (ΣF=m*α) where you had to guess if there's friction or not in a particular spot. What did you do? You assumed there was friction, put a variable to describe it and if there wasn't (friction), the variable ended up with the value of zero. You see, this is a more general model of approaching the problem than the one in which you'd say that there's no friction, because if you assumed that last one, you would never be able to solve the exercises where friction did exist.

I hope I'm not confusing you :/ All I want to say is that assuming the most general model you are allowed to think gives you better probability to solve a "problem", and in the case of the laws of physics, the scenario of multiple observers (lesser entities) affecting the laws and one of them being the main observer (god) is more general than any other scenario I've so far thought. What do you think about that?

[helios]

God: Deism.
Free will: Hard causal determinism.
Morality: Nihilism.
Other: Consensus reality.
These are tightly connected, particularly the first two and the last two.

I have not limited myself
by believing in the ending of anyone thing, for nothing is ever
destroyed - ever

Isn't it also limiting to believe that X is never destroyed? Or that it even existed in the first place? If I don't believe X exists, I'm not limited by acknowledging its existence and can, say, walk through it, because I don't need to go around things things that don't exist.

Besides, there are things that can be destroyed. Setting subatomic annihilation aside, information can be easily destroyed. Take a glass of water, and then empty it. The water configuration that used to exist in it doesn't exist anymore, and can never exist again. There's a Hindu (or was it Buddhist?) saying that equates death to emptying a glass of water in the ocean. You can fill the glass again, but you'll get different water. I love that metaphor.

EDIT:

There's a theorem in advanced physics which says that energy is preserved because the laws of physics remain the same as time passes.

the laws of physics are what they are just because they are what they are?

Before I can start yelling at you, I need to be sure that you're saying physicists treat theories as dogma, rather than models of reality.

[Disch]

How much of it did you read? :D

Not much. I skimmed.

Mind that the killer will not get away with it... Take a look at the life-review part. He's doomed to experience that particular moment more intensively than his victim did.

That's not true. Some people are sociopathic. Some people enjoy it. Some people don't even realize they're doing it. Some people block it out of their memory. etc

And because he had
contemplated it and it is fearsome, he has drawn it right to his
doorstep. Thus the one who needs to molest and the one who
needs to be molested - because he needs to understand it - are
brought together for the experience.

So because you thought of something, it comes true?

Why is it, then, that I've experienced things I've never thought of. And why are there things I've thought of that I've never experienced?

This just strikes me as competely arbitrary and irrational. I really think this guy just totally lost his grip on reality.

Disch wrote:
I don't want to be killed.

Then you won't be killed. It's as simple as that!

So all the people that are killed every day wanted it? Do you honestly believe that?

I didn't want this wart on my hand. How come I have it?

I don't want to get heartburn, but I still get it sometimes.

Someone thinks constantly that the laws are what they are and because he has better understanding of himself than you have of yourself he forces his thought to be a reality for you.

What does Joe's understanding of himself have to do with the laws of my reality? Are you implying that Joe can change the laws of physics if he believes hard enough?

Isn't this a more general model than the one that says that the laws of physics are what they are just because they are what they are?

In my belief structure, the reason why things are the way they are isn't known. It's presumptuous to think we can know or understand everything when we clearly cannot.

This is a more general model than any other I've heard, because it leaves the door open to endless possibilities.

Think of the physics exercises with Newton's laws (ΣF=m*α) .. snip

I fail to grasp the analogy.

All I want to say is that assuming the most general model you are allowed to think gives you better probability to solve a "problem", and in the case of the laws of physics, the scenario of multiple observers (lesser entities) affecting the laws and one of them being the main observer (god) is more general than any other scenario I've so far thought. What do you think about that?

Maybe I'm failing to grasp your concept of "God", but this doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Nor do I see how what I skimmed in the original post could be described as a general view, when it makes very specific claims (with nothing to support it).

[m4ster r0shi]

helios wrote:

I need to be sure that you're saying physicists treat theories as dogma, rather than models of reality.

I don't get this. Why would the one contradict the other? You have a reality. You observe it and find some laws that describe its behavior. You make a theory out of them. The laws already exist and your theory is the product of your observation of the laws. But what is the cause of the laws? No scientist can tell you that. Well, in fact, some of them can give you a hint. If you go and ask a proper physicist "Am I creating reality with my thoughts? Does my observation/thinking affect the reality I experience?", he will answer to you "Absolutely!"

[QWERTYman]

My beliefs are as follows.

--There is something more powerful than us that formed us; it's damn near impossible to create life with comets, neh?

--There is no afterlife, so we should cherish every moment we have on this earth.

--Helios is the incarnation of that powerful being.

Okay, that last one's bull****, I admit.

[m4ster r0shi]

QWERTYman wrote:

--Helios is the incarnation of that powerful being.
Okay, that last one's bull****, I admit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :'D Yeah, helios is just crap, he could never be something like that :D

EDIT:

QWERTYman wrote:

--There is something more powerful than us that formed us; it's damn near impossible to create life with comets, neh?

And what do you think that powerful something made you out of? If that something is so powerful and endless to the point that it encompasses all existence... Then the only thing it could make you out of is... itself. So, you're that powerful entity but you make the instance of yourself known as QWERTYman feel that it is separate from all other existence. Now, why you wanted to do that is another thing... Perhaps you did it because you were the only thing existing and you didn't want to be alone anymore...

EDIT 2: Ok, I'm going to sleep now. But seriously, read the excerpts I've posted. I wouldn't have posted them if I wasn't 100% sure that they'd make an impact ;)

[Albatross]

I'm not going to get involved with this. I'm just going to say that my philosophies are many and I hold to not one organized religion.

-Albatross

[helios]

You have a reality. You observe it and find some laws that describe its behavior. You make a theory out of them. The laws already exist and your theory is the product of your observation of the laws.

Never mind, then. I thought you were using "law" as a synonym of "theory" (e.g. "Law of Thermodynamics"). In that sense, a law doesn't describe a behavior. It produces the behavior. The theory is the one that describes (an approximation of) it.

the only thing it could make you out of is... itself. So, you're that powerful entity but you make the instance of yourself known as QWERTYman feel that it is separate from all other existence.

Fallacy of division detected.

PS: I'm going to disregard that gratuitous comment.

[QWERTYman]

If that something is so powerful and endless to the point that it encompasses all existence...

I never said omnipotent. I said "more powerful". This could mean anything, and I'm open to any ideas.

[chrisname]

I'm not an athiest but I don't believe in a higher power.

[Albatross]

@chrisname
So you're agnostic?

-Albatross

[chrisname]

No.

[Albatross]

So what do you believe then?

-Albatross

[chrisname]

That the universe exists (perhaps it has always and will always exist, or perhaps the theory that the universe is iteratively expanding and contracting (more likely due to red shift)) and that earth is probably ~4.6 billion years old and that humans are the result of chemical reactions.

Also fallibilism.